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para cast with Gene and Cris we had I

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guess the honor really enjoyed talking

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with them of Edie chimeric an excel

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politics aficionado now one of the

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things here that was interesting is that

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I kind of live into for the first part

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of the show and most people seem to take

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that in stride other people said shut up

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already let the guy speak of course here

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in the power cast we do feel sometimes

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that people have to be called out and

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one of the reasons we called out ed was

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because of the fact that he was telling

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us about what he found on the internet

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you can find lots of wacky things on the

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Internet but because you find wacky

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things on the Internet doesn't

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necessarily mean you believe those wacky

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things on the Internet you have to show

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a little bit of skepticism and I was

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hitting him on that and then of course

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things settled down and I guess the

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other point he was raising is maybe the

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powers that be are keeping us from

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getting the evidence what the military

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industrial complex government the oil

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industry etc etc so damned if you do

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damned if you don't

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what's your take Chris well you know I

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agree I think that it's really important

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to vet your sources when you're when

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you're on the net and I found quite a

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bit of very good information for my

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trickster book from dot edu sites papers

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published by aspiring anthropologists

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that that sort of thing there is a lot

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of good information on the internet

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that'll be the first one to admit that

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but you really do have to pick and

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choose very carefully and a rule of

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thumb that I you know try to adhere to

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is at least try to find other sources

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that can give you the same

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you know dude get corroboration of a

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particular fact that's kind of the

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standard but not forth back to the

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original of course of course you don't

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have to but certainly in traditional

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journalism which is in practice enough

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in this day and age they say get another

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source to back you up for you ideally

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ideally get two sources you know the

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original another one maybe another one

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basically check and double-check

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everything and then you report it the

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problem is now with 24/7 cable news they

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don't do that anymore they get the story

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out there figuring they will correct it

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as they go along but then of course

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people get the wrong impression it's a

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slippery slope

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you just have to really be doubly

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careful dot your i's cross your T's and

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you know only secure your neck out so to

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speak if you feel that you have enough

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corroborating information to back up a

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particular fact the more controversial

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more important that is obviously their

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dues the other thing of course in terms

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of talking with Ed chimeric is that he

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was mentioning the fact that he felt

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some of these other XO politics

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adherents were not turning up their spam

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filters enough particularly talking

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about those who claimed that President

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Obama has gone to Mars or something and

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he specifically was talking about Alfred

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Weber write our Yale Law School graduate

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of discernment or the level of credulity

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is like non-existent well that's very

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interesting right there the fact that

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you mentioned that we have somebody who

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has incredible apparently genuine this

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time I hope educational credentials and

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which suggests to me that there may be

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an underlying agenda that has to do with

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dissemination of this information but we

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won't get into that will we be dissing

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for what this information well I guess I

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think it bothers me about that is if

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there's so much disinformation out there

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how do you find a kernel effect or do

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you find the right kernel to give you

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those facts to be very foolish about it

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well the right kernel to give you a

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chicken wing that one of course yes

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around this time of season we have to

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think about the kernel and the chicken

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wings of course they'll find a

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conspiracy theory about that

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you know somebody in the forums was

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making a big deal of where what it would

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sound like listen for this now what it

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would sound like if they played my

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conversation backwards you know what I

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say

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Paul is dead backwards or something like

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well we need to get what's-his-name that

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that David Oates guy what the heck's his

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name the reverse speech guy but he'd

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have a field day without flynny gene

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this one person his name is Luke by the

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way you lose the force Luke anyway Luke

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anyway Luke said that he was going to

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make a recording of me talking backwards

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so he picked out the interview we did a

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few years ago in the power cast with

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Paula Harris who's another one of those

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Exopolitics people and I met her once by

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the way which is a really nice

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woman but we don't agree with her there

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you go I think she's too accepting of

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some things regardless he took one of my

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monologues during that interview he took

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this segment where I was basically kind

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of summarizing the interview saying that

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the her process is like running a forum

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will you take all sorts of opinions you

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know necessarily judge those opinions so

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someone took some of my key phrases and

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played them in Reverse

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I did not say well Paul is dead I did

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not provide the solution to the UFO

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mystery what did you say you said Paula

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is an abductee Paula is an abductee

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that's right instead of saying one hand

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two ducks three squawking geese hey that

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was it that's what I was saying

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backwards one hand two ducks three

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squawking geese for Limerick oysters

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remember the famous Jerry Lewis

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announcers test where it's basically

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before my time gene it's basically

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picking up your retentive memory or your

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attention span or something like that

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and the way it works is I've been apart

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Regina Patrick you have to repeat what

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he says and so he adds one condition one

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hand one hand two ducks one hand two

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ducks three squawking geese up to ten of

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these and you have to repeat each one

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back to him precisely as they said it

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I got up to 7:00 after practicing for a

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long long time chorus Jerry Lewis is

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what 119 years old now and probably not

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capable of remembering anything but I

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shouldn't be saying that because I'll be

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120 very soon okay today we're going to

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bring back a guest who has really been a

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fascinating fascinated collector of

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information about strange creatures

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Loren Coleman and I've known him for a

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long long time I know at one time he

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wrote a book with Jerome Clarke and this

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was at the time I knew both of them so

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that goes back quite a few years

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what are your encounters and experiences

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with Loren Coleman well of course like

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many of our art form posters and the

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listeners of the parrot cast I'm I'm a

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real fan of the Crypt amundo dot-com

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site that Lauren runs with Greg wall

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heater and writing a column every month

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for the world explorer magazine called

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crypto corner I have a column that I

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kind of call through the month's

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activities and the crypto world world of

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crypto research and investigation quite

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frankly most of the good quality stories

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come from Krypton mundo and Lauren I

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think is one of our top most visible

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experts in this field and it's a real

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pleasure and an honor to have him on the

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show and by the way he has a museum you

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know got the name right so if you ever

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want to go to Maine he's going to tell

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you about the museum and I know we

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provide a link in the forums so you know

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if you want to see what this museum is

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like you can go in there and you can

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take a look and see just you know what

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what kind of stuff he's going to it's

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the International cryptozoology Museum

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let me give you the address before we

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get Lauren on it's at 11:00 Avon Street

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in Portland Maine and appears to be open

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Wednesday through Saturday and then for

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a brief period of time on Sunday I guess

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this is his day job and you get to see

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all sorts of fascinating exhibits and

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we're going to cover that and of course

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we're not going to have any contests

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here where you get a paid vacation

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domain especially in the winter you know

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where you can bring your snowblowers out

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but it sounds like a really interesting

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thing to do and maybe we should have a

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UFO Museum next well we did down

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of course well I'm thinking not just

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Roswell but you know place is not so

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tainted so neighbors if you have a

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the only Loren Coleman hi Lauren good

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evening how are you

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we're doing fine Chris and I are just

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doing great we'll kind of wish we could

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be over there we can have some kind of

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roundtable discussion but we don't have

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a rich person anymore to pay for our

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transportation yes all of the wealthy

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cryptozoology sponsors died in the 60s

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yes we're all holed into it I'm like

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when you're ready need one right that's

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a good question too where is today's

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variation of Seiya Laurance Rockefeller

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I'm not talking about Robert Bigelow

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because he puts too many terms and

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conditions on his grass I mean somebody

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no terms no conditions somebody who is

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willing to offer the money with a

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reasonable proposal and go from there

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well you do have the MacArthur Krantz

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the genius Krabs and what's unfortunate

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that there's no cryptozoologist that's

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one it yet but you know someday

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something fantastic like that might

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happen and then nothing but imagination

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could steer that person to create some

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great projects or cool

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expeditions or whatever but there aren't

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too many wealthy individuals out there

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giving to cryptozoology right now that's

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for sure but what would it require to

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earn their money would you still have to

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provide some DNA from Bigfoot or

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something like that

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I'm not sure I mean I think that if

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we're going to get into current events

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there's the whole Ericsson project

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that's going on right now that's a very

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wealthy man that's behind that I mean he

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put out the call he tried to get various

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people some of them a mainstream Bigfoot

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hunters others kind of on the edge

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because if you put out a call but do you

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have a piece of Bigfoot I'd like to test

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that you're getting get all kinds of

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different fringe people on people trying

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to right now on one of the websites

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recently there was the quote/unquote

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stake of a Bigfoot being offered for

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sale for $50,000 so somebody says

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something like that there's going to be

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somebody come up with a piece of meat

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and say that it's from Bigfoot so it's

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kind of you know touch-and-go about

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where we're at with this whole process

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of the money and funding and what

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constitutes obviously what constitutes

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the ultimate proof is DNA and samples

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that really are verifiable and have a

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chain of command where you can really

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detail where it came from I guess the

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big question here is after all these

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years why have we not gotten something

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that mainstream science can regard as a

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smoking gun why is it so elusive well

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there's some several levels of answers

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to that let me let me start with the

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name Bigfoot Bigfoot doesn't help

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Bigfoot is a silly name and it's been

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often said that there's enough evidence

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with all of the hair samples of fecal

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material the film's eyewitness accounts

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that if this was a murder case you could

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get many convictions for murder with the

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evidence we have for Bigfoot but we have

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a disability that has a name it has a

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mythology and almost now that really

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gets in the way

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an anthropologist which were really up

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against have the whole ghost of the

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fifth down skull and anytime there's a

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fakery in the cabinet this was recent is

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the 1950

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you're going to have a higher standard

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put out there for proof so right now the

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only way that Bigfoot will be proven is

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within a live capture or a dead body so

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you have the situation where we really

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need a body we need a body we need a

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live capture of a Bigfoot a Yeti some

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kind of unknown hominid to really prove

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to have to apologize to the skeptical

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debunking community that these creatures

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actually exists and that we have a whole

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new species because right now you've got

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many situations where like the

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ivory-billed woodpecker you know if you

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go to Cornell you definitely know think

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you know that the ivory-billed

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woodpecker has been rediscovered but if

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you go to other universities it's still

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somewhat doubtful well we never want to

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get in that situation with Bigfoot we

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want to make sure that the proof is

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ironclad

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that a scientific academic folks are

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going to sign on with this that it's

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actually going to be verified as a new

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species and not some you know kind of

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mutant or feral human or some other

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things so there's lots of possibilities

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now the other part that I'm always asked

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is why don't we ever find a body well

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that that's a whole nother ball of wax

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and I don't know if you want to go down

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that road well you know what why don't

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we go down that road you raised it this

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is the para Cass where we go where no

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show ever goes okay so tell us okay why

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not well once again it's not a simple

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answer it's a very complex situation for

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one thing I don't really consider it

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reality to even consider that big that

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are being drawn up into UFOs that

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they're burying their dead that their

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teleporting into another dimension when

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they die let's take it from my frame of

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reference which is a very zoological

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biological point of view if you have an

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animal out there that actually is in the

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woods of North America and let's say

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very specifically the Pacific Northwest

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and dr. Grover Krantz estimated that

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there was any where between two

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in 4,000 alive at any one time if you

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take a population that small and he

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often would say there is probably one

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Bigfoot for every 10,000 black bear

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well Grover crafts and I used to do

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something whenever we would travel all

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over the country and I've been to every

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state in the continental US and I've

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asked wildlife individuals biologists

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hunters hikers how many times have you

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been in the forest and you have found a

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dead black bear a dead grizzly or a

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mountain lion in the woods not get on

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the road not you know shot and killed by

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someone and lying on the ground but a

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naturally occurring dead body of one of

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those large animals my the answer that I

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always get is zero even though we know

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they're mountain lions even though we

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know they're Grizzlies and there's black

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bear people do not find these animals

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dead in the woods and yet we know that

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they're out there and they have to die

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so what happens what happens with these

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known animals that are dying in the

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woods well several things they they curl

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up and they go to again they go mountain

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lions have been known to when they

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figure out that they're close to death

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they go and leaves and and you know try

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to bury themselves in the leaves and

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then do you have a situation where

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within 24 to 48 hours

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crows blue jays coyotes backsides of

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vultures they'd start ripping apart the

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body and then very quickly you know it's

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decimated there's nothing there that's

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left and with the larger bones there's

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an animal in North America that

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everybody forgets about but I use the

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example in the state of Maine where I'm

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at the state of Maine is the most

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forested state in the United States the

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surface of the state is covered in 95%

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trees we have 40,000 moose every year

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dropping their antlers all over the

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state that's not even including the deer

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and yet all of those tourists from the

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Atlantic Coast that come up to Maine

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because we're vacation land

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and there go hiking they don't trip over

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antlers all spring and summer well where

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did all the antlers go they're eaten or

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eaten by rodents and one of the biggest

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you know consumers of antlers are

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porcupines and we'll have to answer that

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question warned a moment with Loren

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anywhere else hear that George snoring

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Loren Coleman at his headquarters of the

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Portland Maine and you're saying

630
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porcupines

631
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are notorious a really good porcupine

632
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story right I was hiking up above

633
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treeline I was at about eleven thousand

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feet in the Sangre de Cristo's and I

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left my belt outside my tent to wake up

636
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in the morning and find that a porcupine

637
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had eaten my belt and left the buckle

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and I could tell it was a porcupine

639
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because you sit there looking at me

640
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that's a really good point Loren I

641
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didn't know that they also consumed

642
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boned oh yeah they need the bone because

643
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of their quills and they're there and

644
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their bones and they actually they have

645
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a behavior that archeologists have

646
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really found very endearing they take

647
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these bones the larger leg bones and the

648
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antlers and things and they hoard them

649
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in their dens so that they don't I mean

650
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you were lucky to actually see this

651
00:28:18,410 --> 00:28:16,440
porcupine they're eating your belt but

652
00:28:20,810 --> 00:28:18,420
oftentimes they pull them back in their

653
00:28:21,770 --> 00:28:20,820
dens and then they take a few days to

654
00:28:24,380 --> 00:28:21,780
eat away at it

655
00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:24,390
so archeologists have actually began

656
00:28:33,260 --> 00:28:28,559
finding fossil and prehistoric porcupine

657
00:28:34,669 --> 00:28:33,270
dens to find fossils of human remains in

658
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:34,679
these as it really is

659
00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:37,410
kind of widening the our knowledge of

660
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:42,990
prehistoric humans Wow so uh so that's

661
00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:46,110
nature's way of turning all this stuff

662
00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:49,550
back over and you know yeah it does

663
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belts into bones right

664
00:29:00,500 --> 00:28:55,560
right so it's part of nature's rhythm

665
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:00,510
the circle of life yes and I just don't

666
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:03,210
think we're gonna find Bigfoot in any

667
00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:05,310
kind of conventional way we're not going

668
00:29:09,740 --> 00:29:08,070
to trip across it in the woods my whole

669
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:09,750
theory is that I think that someday

670
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there's going to be a lumber truck

671
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:14,100
someplace it's going to hit a Bigfoot

672
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:16,410
and it's going to be in a situation

673
00:29:22,190 --> 00:29:19,170
where they'll be able to get the remains

674
00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:22,200
right away and get them to a university

675
00:29:27,500 --> 00:29:24,660
but the whole thing about Bigfoot

676
00:29:30,620 --> 00:29:27,510
they're primate and you know they just

677
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:30,630
don't they actually try to avoid human

678
00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:33,540
vehicles human people you know people

679
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:35,670
that are in the woods and they're just

680
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:38,460
not trying to be seen it's just it it's

681
00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:40,200
really kind of a coincidence that

682
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:41,700
there's a human and a Bigfoot in the

683
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:43,890
same spot occasionally and those are

684
00:29:48,770 --> 00:29:46,290
called sightings now therefore we assume

685
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:48,780
Bigfoot doesn't want to see who we are

686
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:50,340
what we are if they want to stay away

687
00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:51,840
from us well I don't think there is

688
00:29:55,910 --> 00:29:54,030
curious about us as we are about them I

689
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:55,920
mean there's a lot of people that

690
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,200
project their own feelings on Bigfoot

691
00:30:02,660 --> 00:30:00,000
and say you know what they're interested

692
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:02,670
in us and they want to see where we're

693
00:30:07,820 --> 00:30:04,590
living and they want to come around to

694
00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:07,830
the farm and see what kind of animals

695
00:30:14,410 --> 00:30:10,830
were raising and all kinds of stuff that

696
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:14,420
we're really projecting on these and and

697
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,580
you know most of us like Krantz and

698
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:19,500
Sanderson and other people down through

699
00:30:25,450 --> 00:30:21,810
the years that I've talked to we really

700
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:25,460
understand it most of these cryptids

701
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:29,190
we're really trying to project a whole

702
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:34,170
life on them with only about 1% of any

703
00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:35,820
kind of knowledge about what they're

704
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,070
doing we see Bigfoot crossing the road

705
00:30:42,650 --> 00:30:40,380
that doesn't mean they live there we see

706
00:30:45,530 --> 00:30:42,660
Bigfoot you know fishing for salmon and

707
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:45,540
creeks or eating blueberries or things

708
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:47,970
like that or you know occasionally

709
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,330
people make up stories that they they

710
00:30:55,820 --> 00:30:53,520
hear a certain noise in the woods

711
00:30:58,610 --> 00:30:55,830
whether it's a something like a stick

712
00:31:00,740 --> 00:30:58,620
beating against a tree or or a screech

713
00:31:02,300 --> 00:31:00,750
or different things like that and they

714
00:31:04,509 --> 00:31:02,310
immediately go to the place well that's

715
00:31:06,729 --> 00:31:04,519
a squash that's a

716
00:31:09,399 --> 00:31:06,739
Squatch that's a Bigfoot and then they

717
00:31:11,379 --> 00:31:09,409
construct a whole science fiction story

718
00:31:13,810 --> 00:31:11,389
around that one incident that may have

719
00:31:15,699 --> 00:31:13,820
nothing to do with the reality of these

720
00:31:18,489 --> 00:31:15,709
creatures I think it's you know it's

721
00:31:20,649 --> 00:31:18,499
kind of one of that's been one part of

722
00:31:22,930 --> 00:31:20,659
the other part that I talk about in my

723
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book Bigfoot the true story and North

724
00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:25,929
American in America is that actually

725
00:31:33,489 --> 00:31:30,200
because we're in such a prudish society

726
00:31:35,979 --> 00:31:33,499
most Bigfoot researchers for the last 50

727
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:35,989
years have been leaving out details

728
00:31:42,099 --> 00:31:39,049
about the sexuality of these creatures

729
00:31:45,099 --> 00:31:42,109
do they have a penis today you know was

730
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:45,109
exciting to talk about gender specific

731
00:31:49,569 --> 00:31:48,169
details that researchers are leaving out

732
00:31:51,579 --> 00:31:49,579
because they're too embarrassed

733
00:31:53,709 --> 00:31:51,589
and that's the whole projecting the

734
00:31:57,069 --> 00:31:53,719
human you know shyness and prudishness

735
00:31:59,289 --> 00:31:57,079
on on these creatures based upon who we

736
00:32:02,859 --> 00:31:59,299
are and that's really got in the way of

737
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:02,869
some of the research analyzing our our

738
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:06,289
own cultural beliefs and overlaying them

739
00:32:11,259 --> 00:32:08,450
on on on these creatures well we really

740
00:32:12,699 --> 00:32:11,269
don't have the data to really support

741
00:32:15,579 --> 00:32:12,709
that is what you're saying

742
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:15,589
yeah exactly and it I mean it's very

743
00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:17,450
obvious when you go out and you study

744
00:32:22,060 --> 00:32:19,700
banal Mo's or gorillas or chimpanzees

745
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:22,070
people understand those are animals and

746
00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:24,049
you report on their sexual activity on

747
00:32:28,779 --> 00:32:26,389
their breeding upon all of these things

748
00:32:31,449 --> 00:32:28,789
and yet you read what I did a few years

749
00:32:33,009 --> 00:32:31,459
ago when I wrote this book is I read and

750
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:33,019
read and read through all of these

751
00:32:38,259 --> 00:32:35,450
accounts of researchers and they would

752
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:38,269
it's obvious that the eye witness had

753
00:32:43,959 --> 00:32:41,089
seen it long enough and yet they'd say

754
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:43,969
put one line in there about he says they

755
00:32:48,969 --> 00:32:46,159
were breasts and then it goes on the

756
00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:48,979
researcher goes on were they round that

757
00:32:51,969 --> 00:32:50,269
they have hair on them

758
00:32:54,190 --> 00:32:51,979
did they have nipples you know there's

759
00:32:56,109 --> 00:32:54,200
all kinds of questions that were avoided

760
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,119
it was almost like reading the war on a

761
00:33:00,459 --> 00:32:58,399
commission transcript we'll fight it and

762
00:33:02,289 --> 00:33:00,469
you ask those questions you know you're

763
00:33:04,509 --> 00:33:02,299
trying to learn about this animal this

764
00:33:07,749 --> 00:33:04,519
animal may be new to us ask more

765
00:33:10,029 --> 00:33:07,759
questions about the biological specimen

766
00:33:12,099 --> 00:33:10,039
and it's just kind of frustrating

767
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:12,109
sometimes because once again we're

768
00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:13,969
dealing with just humans and humans do

769
00:33:18,130 --> 00:33:16,849
do these projections hussein's amorphic

770
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:18,140
projections are

771
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:20,930
but even if we go past trying to make

772
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:23,810
Bigfoot assume a personality similar to

773
00:33:27,940 --> 00:33:25,280
a human being maybe they're just a bunch

774
00:33:30,940 --> 00:33:27,950
of Neanderthals running about okay what

775
00:33:33,310 --> 00:33:30,950
about those who theorized that Bigfoot

776
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,320
and other creatures are really from

777
00:33:38,590 --> 00:33:36,080
other dimensions somehow related to UFO

778
00:33:40,990 --> 00:33:38,600
and other paranormal events well I think

779
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:41,000
that's a whole nother show for somebody

780
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:43,010
else a lot of the things that I do at

781
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:44,720
the Museum when somebody comes in and

782
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:46,580
they start talking about other

783
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:49,340
dimensions or UFOs or ghosts that's all

784
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:52,820
well and good and I'm old old 40 and you

785
00:33:56,530 --> 00:33:54,530
know I have all kinds of room in my

786
00:33:59,380 --> 00:33:56,540
brain for lots of different

787
00:34:01,840 --> 00:33:59,390
possibilities and 40-inch phenomena so

788
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:01,850
if you show me the data but I have not

789
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:04,750
been shown anything that makes my

790
00:34:10,270 --> 00:34:07,010
anthropological zoological background

791
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:10,280
feel like I need to talk about Bigfoot

792
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:12,230
as aliens or Bigfoot it from another

793
00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:15,200
dimension everything I'm seeing about

794
00:34:20,380 --> 00:34:17,780
them tells me this is a primate that's

795
00:34:22,510 --> 00:34:20,390
unknown and maybe related to paranthesis

796
00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:22,520
it may be relation again to piscis

797
00:34:28,260 --> 00:34:24,590
that's what I know that's what I'll talk

798
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:28,270
about and so I was a very very

799
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:30,830
thoughtful follower of I haven't Issa

800
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:33,830
Anderson and he once told me he said you

801
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:36,530
know there's no reason to explain one

802
00:34:41,850 --> 00:34:38,510
unknown with another unknown

803
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:41,860
he said I'm interested in tangible

804
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:45,050
intangibles the things that we certainly

805
00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:48,050
can measure we can see fecal material

806
00:34:53,620 --> 00:34:51,110
from but I'm not interested in talking

807
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:53,630
about a Bigfoot being a ghost and that's

808
00:34:59,710 --> 00:34:56,330
very much I've followed in that line I'm

809
00:35:02,620 --> 00:34:59,720
just it's a waste of my time because I'm

810
00:35:04,990 --> 00:35:02,630
just kind of blowing air blowing smoke

811
00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:05,000
into the air and it just disappears

812
00:35:09,970 --> 00:35:07,520
because it doesn't have any sense of

813
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:09,980
continuity with the kind of studies and

814
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:12,410
I'm doing to go off into a tangent

815
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talking about ghosts alright so we

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assume these strange creatures are just

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here and we just need to figure a way to

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understand them better no I'm telling

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you my bias okay no I see your bias but

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I've wanted to clarify it for our

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listeners so this is the basic

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there are unusual creatures out there

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but no reason to think that they're

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alien to us that they're just here and

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we just need I think they're I think

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that most of the crypto zoological

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specimens that I study are one of two

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kinds or either brand-new animals that

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have been seen by native peoples are

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experienced by indigenous peoples as a

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natural history that comes into their

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know real animals and that it's our

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quest as cryptozoologist to try to find

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those new species whether it turns out

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to be a coelacanth and a copy giant

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panda mountain gorilla and then I think

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there are these other animals that are

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being seen that are extinct animals that

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actually that Western science has said

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cryptozoologists are saying well maybe

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Loren Coleman of the International

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cryptozoology Museum with gene and Chris

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you're in the power cast and so as far

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as Loren Coleman is concerned we're not

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talking about interdimensional creatures

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we're talking about creatures that are

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here and maybe for whatever reason we

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haven't looked in the right places is

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that part of it

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oh well yeah I mean in one of the one of

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the paradoxes is is that you don't find

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something you don't look for a lot of

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people a lot of scientists for instance

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the largest new animal that was

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discovered in 2010 was a six and a half

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foot long giant monitor lizard in Luzon

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Philippines that climbs trees and eats

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fruit the native peoples have been

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saying there's a big lizard around here

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there's a big lizard around here the

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scientists didn't believe them so they

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2003 in 2003 2004 they finally started

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coming across solid evidence of this

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giant over man sized creature called you

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know monitor lizards and when they

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finally discovered there that he said oh

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my goodness it must have been here all

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the time we just weren't looking in the

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right places and that exactly what

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happens over and over again you know the

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native people say it's there

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scientists come in and they for instance

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you'll copy this this giraffe like

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forest draft it was discovered in 1901

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in Africa the Europeans came through

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there and talked to the pygmies and said

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no you don't have any animal like that

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what you're obviously seeing is a zebra

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no no we think we're seeing something

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something different finally in 1901 you

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know Englishman named Sir Harry Johnston

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I got some skulls and got some

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the problem here is that science wants

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to believe in any particular era but

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they know everything we've discovered

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all the animals we know what's going on

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we know everything that's happening out

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there there are no mysteries therefore

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there can be no creatures that we are

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and that's what what is now just as

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oftentimes to you you have scientists

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who have degrees and go to universities

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and I mean I try to the university for

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20 years on know I know what I'm talking

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about because I've been around these

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people they think they're on the inside

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and they know it all and yet you have

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amateurs come along who are

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cryptozoologist who maybe have been out

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you know I have this proof and they come

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along and they said no no you can't have

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exist and so now what's intriguing is

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here are bears in the woods or

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everybody's making these creatures up

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there all mythical and then all of a

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sudden whenever a giant monitor lizard

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is discovered in 2010 they act like

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somebody surprised them and tricked them

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or something

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so these creatures have always been

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there but they're using tunnel vision

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yes yes the skeptical individuals and

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some of the academics but what what

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isn't interesting to me is when I

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started in this 51 years ago Sanderson

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once told me he thought there was about

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five of us in the United States that

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were interested in in these kinds of

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animals and then it got more you know

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into the 60s into the 70s and what I'm

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finding now there's

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I have coming into the museum all the

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time different academics different

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biology teachers kindergarten teachers

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law enforcement individuals game wardens

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and I said how long have you been

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interested in cryptozoology and they

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said oh it started for me when I was 25

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which could have been 10 years ago or

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we're 20 years ago when I was watching

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in search of or or I read your book you

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know back back in the day and it's it's

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so amazing to me that so many people are

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sort of on the inside now we have law

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enforcement people we have academics we

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have you know people that are actually

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getting the frontline reports now and

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feeding them to some of us and so it's

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really changing around of the world is

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he's like opening up to cryptozoology

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and when you start seeing you know beef

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jerky commercials with Bigfoot in it you

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know that the popular culture is kind of

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really messin with all right it's it's

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catching up fine land you don't feel so

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alone and so it's kind of times are

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changing Harry and the Hendersons yes

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exactly all of those popular cultural

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items of course that's warm and fuzzy

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Bigfoot yeah well the warm and fuzzy

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Bigfoot and then and then you have the

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Loch Ness monster I call them the big

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three celebrities there's a abominable

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snowman the Yeti the Bigfoot Sasquatch

1083
00:46:56,130 --> 00:46:53,079
and the Loch Ness monster really driving

1084
00:46:59,069 --> 00:46:56,140
what most people see is cryptozoology

1085
00:47:00,620 --> 00:46:59,079
one of the things that i really point

1086
00:47:03,870 --> 00:47:00,630
out in our International cryptozoology

1087
00:47:07,140 --> 00:47:03,880
Museum at any one time around the world

1088
00:47:09,390 --> 00:47:07,150
there's probably 200 expeditions looking

1089
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:09,400
for all kinds of different creatures

1090
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:11,170
that you wouldn't even know about you

1091
00:47:16,019 --> 00:47:13,450
know like the Tasso room which looks

1092
00:47:18,959 --> 00:47:16,029
like some kind of lizard in the Alps or

1093
00:47:21,870 --> 00:47:18,969
or you know other creatures like mapa

1094
00:47:25,289 --> 00:47:21,880
watery which is a giant ground sloth of

1095
00:47:27,630 --> 00:47:25,299
South America or even the reopening of

1096
00:47:30,539 --> 00:47:27,640
our case files on the little people

1097
00:47:34,229 --> 00:47:30,549
after home offer in theist the hobbits

1098
00:47:36,809 --> 00:47:34,239
were discovered in Indonesia in 2003

1099
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:36,819
then you you're starting to relook at

1100
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,680
the Menehune stories which is

1101
00:47:44,180 --> 00:47:42,160
little people of Hawaii and I don't

1102
00:47:47,070 --> 00:47:44,190
think we've quite opened the book on

1103
00:47:49,710 --> 00:47:47,080
re-examining leprechauns yet but in the

1104
00:47:52,350 --> 00:47:49,720
South Sea Islands some of those old

1105
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:52,360
anthropology Case Files where you have

1106
00:47:57,390 --> 00:47:54,750
reports of only a hundred years ago

1107
00:47:59,640 --> 00:47:57,400
saying that they were that the villagers

1108
00:48:01,530 --> 00:47:59,650
were having fights with the little

1109
00:48:04,140 --> 00:48:01,540
people and putting him in caves and

1110
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,150
putting burning bushes in the front of

1111
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:06,160
the cage so that they killed all the

1112
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:08,050
little people because the tribal groups

1113
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:10,090
were afraid of the little people or

1114
00:48:14,850 --> 00:48:12,850
leagues reexamining some of the stories

1115
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:14,860
because they may have a grain of truth

1116
00:48:21,150 --> 00:48:18,610
to them never mind the other case that

1117
00:48:24,810 --> 00:48:21,160
occurred around the turn of the century

1118
00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:24,820
I think was in 1902 was featured and I

1119
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:28,990
think some New Mexico scientific journal

1120
00:48:33,330 --> 00:48:31,330
I'm not sure the details escaped me but

1121
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:33,340
it it had to do with the pictures

1122
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:35,230
pueblos being attacked by a small

1123
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:38,440
diminutive very nasty like dwarf types

1124
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:40,330
and they actually had to call in wares

1125
00:48:45,210 --> 00:48:43,330
from another I think adjoining nearby

1126
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:45,220
pueblos to help fight these creatures

1127
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:47,050
off and this this whole thing was stated

1128
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:50,110
very matter-of-factly and in some sort

1129
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:53,050
of ethno New Mexico Journal of ethnology

1130
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:55,210
sorry I forget the name of the actual

1131
00:48:59,520 --> 00:48:57,310
publication but I was quite surprised to

1132
00:49:03,090 --> 00:48:59,530
see that so recently that claims like

1133
00:49:05,010 --> 00:49:03,100
this were taken seriously by by the by

1134
00:49:07,230 --> 00:49:05,020
the officials there in New Mexico so

1135
00:49:10,410 --> 00:49:07,240
there's another example but is it also

1136
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:10,420
true here that the locals will tend to

1137
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:12,250
know about things like this they'll take

1138
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:14,920
it seriously but those big-city folk the

1139
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:17,470
scientists they come over and they don't

1140
00:49:22,590 --> 00:49:20,710
know so they look down upon the local

1141
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:22,600
people exactly exactly

1142
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:25,570
the 6 foot tall diurnal mammal that

1143
00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:28,030
comes into your village and thinks that

1144
00:49:33,810 --> 00:49:30,820
he can he or she can tell you what

1145
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:33,820
exists and doesn't exist I mean who

1146
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:36,250
knows who knows you know people see

1147
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:38,490
things that other people don't and

1148
00:49:44,910 --> 00:49:41,050
whether they're Bigfoot or little people

1149
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:44,920
or giant snakes or whatever just because

1150
00:49:48,510 --> 00:49:46,630
they're city folks and they have a

1151
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:48,520
degree but I mean their name doesn't

1152
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:50,530
mean that they know everything that's

1153
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:51,410
for sure

1154
00:49:57,099 --> 00:49:54,650
yes don't tell them that thank you

1155
00:50:00,240 --> 00:49:57,109
well sometimes it causes tunnel vision

1156
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,250
you assume you know everything therefore

1157
00:50:05,950 --> 00:50:02,960
when something happens that's anomalous

1158
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:05,960
you are to prepare to dismiss it right

1159
00:50:10,900 --> 00:50:08,450
I think luckily in the fifth grade I

1160
00:50:14,410 --> 00:50:10,910
believe it was I I used to I lived in

1161
00:50:17,230 --> 00:50:14,420
Illinois and I we would go to day camp

1162
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:17,240
every day during the summer and one of

1163
00:50:22,930 --> 00:50:20,720
the chores was to name all of the birds

1164
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:22,940
in the wood wood an area that we were

1165
00:50:27,819 --> 00:50:26,210
visiting I excelled at that I identified

1166
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,829
all the birds and I know all the birds

1167
00:50:32,019 --> 00:50:30,079
and it was a little bit before the fifth

1168
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:32,029
grade night I came home and I started

1169
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:34,910
reading other books and I was shocked to

1170
00:50:39,039 --> 00:50:36,650
find out there were all of these other

1171
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:39,049
birds all over the world that I didn't

1172
00:50:43,660 --> 00:50:41,599
know the names of because I thought I'd

1173
00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:43,670
identified every bird in the world

1174
00:50:51,490 --> 00:50:47,990
because I I you know named every bird in

1175
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:51,500
the woods and in Illinois it was just it

1176
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:53,630
was kind of very revealing and shook me

1177
00:50:58,450 --> 00:50:55,490
up for a while but it was a good lesson

1178
00:50:59,920 --> 00:50:58,460
to have very early so the key is here is

1179
00:51:01,960 --> 00:50:59,930
don't assume you know everything because

1180
00:51:05,230 --> 00:51:01,970
something is going to happen that's

1181
00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:05,240
going to surprise you take your world up

1182
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:07,369
unless you have a and are sophistic

1183
00:51:11,740 --> 00:51:09,710
personality and nothing will ever shake

1184
00:51:13,420 --> 00:51:11,750
you up because you still think that

1185
00:51:16,930 --> 00:51:13,430
you're the center of the universe which

1186
00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:16,940
does occasionally happen makes it really

1187
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:19,160
difficult by the way the place is called

1188
00:51:25,319 --> 00:51:21,890
the International cryptozoological

1189
00:51:27,970 --> 00:51:25,329
Museum and the proprietor in chief is

1190
00:51:31,170 --> 00:51:27,980
Loren Coleman you're talking with Gene

1191
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:38,570
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1211
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1212
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1213
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1214
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1215
00:52:33,350 --> 00:52:31,740
stating a central bank issuing the

1216
00:52:34,490 --> 00:52:33,360
public currency is a greater menace to

1217
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:34,500
the liberties of the people than a

1218
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:35,880
standing army today understand I'm

1219
00:52:39,110 --> 00:52:37,290
placing a free silver dollar in a book

1220
00:52:42,590 --> 00:52:39,120
that explains our monetary system call

1221
00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:42,600
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

1222
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:45,780
to understand the system call 866 to 237

1223
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:49,170
that's 800 686 to 237

1224
00:53:03,220 --> 00:52:58,880
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1225
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:03,230
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1226
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,720
here's Jane Steinberg with Jean and

1227
00:53:15,290 --> 00:53:12,240
Chris the long-awaited return visit from

1228
00:53:18,010 --> 00:53:15,300
Loren Coleman and Loren just to segue

1229
00:53:22,820 --> 00:53:18,020
very quickly here you very recently

1230
00:53:25,490 --> 00:53:22,830
moved your museum yeah oh yeah a short

1231
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,500
brief history of the museum is I started

1232
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:27,420
collecting materials and going on

1233
00:53:34,460 --> 00:53:31,530
expeditions in 1960 some people who like

1234
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:34,470
to use a lot of adjectives have often

1235
00:53:40,460 --> 00:53:37,790
called me the world's leading living

1236
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:40,470
cryptozoologists well one of the most

1237
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,540
important phrases in there to me is that

1238
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:44,880
I'm living and so that's always been

1239
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:46,860
very important to me I'm still there's a

1240
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:51,660
good I decided to start yeah why don't I

1241
00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:54,390
start organizing my collection before

1242
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:56,790
I'm dead and sharing it with people

1243
00:54:01,100 --> 00:53:58,740
because you know documentary film

1244
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:01,110
companies and researchers were coming

1245
00:54:08,110 --> 00:54:04,140
around so I organized and founded the

1246
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:08,120
museum in 2003 I was in the middle of

1247
00:54:13,310 --> 00:54:11,310
ongoing 10-year divorce in which I

1248
00:54:16,070 --> 00:54:13,320
finally bought a house and I decided

1249
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,080
well I'm going to buy a bigger house on

1250
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:19,440
the advice of my accountant to buy a

1251
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:21,810
bigger house and do the whole first

1252
00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:24,960
floor as a museum so I fed up the museum

1253
00:54:30,890 --> 00:54:27,300
in my home four and a half rooms in my

1254
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:30,900
home downstairs and you know I'd have

1255
00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,440
unsolved mysteries and weird travels and

1256
00:54:38,690 --> 00:54:36,420
all kinds of different programs deep-sea

1257
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:38,700
detectives would come and film there and

1258
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:40,920
they were delighted because I had

1259
00:54:46,940 --> 00:54:44,370
different rooms set up for different you

1260
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:46,950
know Africa room a Victorian room based

1261
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:48,810
around different discoveries in

1262
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:51,330
cryptozoology so they could film without

1263
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:53,640
them having to change things and of

1264
00:54:57,350 --> 00:54:55,530
course I had many many props because

1265
00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:57,360
they were real artifacts from

1266
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:01,170
expeditions finally in 2009 I was

1267
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,490
invited a friend of mine was opening a

1268
00:55:08,059 --> 00:55:07,200
book store and in the back of the

1269
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:08,069
bookstore was

1270
00:55:14,539 --> 00:55:10,729
kind of a very large room and she said

1271
00:55:16,489 --> 00:55:14,549
you have been wanting to have a public

1272
00:55:18,949 --> 00:55:16,499
presence to this so why don't you move

1273
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:18,959
your museum to my the back of my

1274
00:55:24,799 --> 00:55:21,359
bookstore put the big foot that I have

1275
00:55:27,019 --> 00:55:24,809
which is 8 foot tall 400-pound big foot

1276
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:27,029
replica up at the front of her store

1277
00:55:30,739 --> 00:55:29,130
draw people into her bookstore and then

1278
00:55:33,739 --> 00:55:30,749
they would also occasionally come into

1279
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:33,749
my museum we moved in there and we found

1280
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:37,529
out within a year it was too small I had

1281
00:55:43,489 --> 00:55:40,880
over 3,000 artifacts squeezed into this

1282
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,499
500 square feet less than 500 square

1283
00:55:49,579 --> 00:55:46,400
feet and so it took us a while but a

1284
00:55:53,630 --> 00:55:49,589
two-year mark we moved a month ago to

1285
00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:53,640
this spaces over 2,000 square feet it's

1286
00:56:01,519 --> 00:55:57,619
it's just enormous it's old fur company

1287
00:56:04,009 --> 00:56:01,529
showroom one room and then another

1288
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:04,019
attached room with windows all around

1289
00:56:08,539 --> 00:56:06,900
it's an old atrium so unfortunately it's

1290
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:08,549
a hundred years old so there's a roof

1291
00:56:14,989 --> 00:56:11,130
over it now but it's got a very tall

1292
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:14,999
ceiling and you know we have a the the

1293
00:56:19,939 --> 00:56:17,609
full size big foot we have a full-size

1294
00:56:24,469 --> 00:56:19,949
coelacanth which is five and a half feet

1295
00:56:27,049 --> 00:56:24,479
long we have a 14 foot long model of the

1296
00:56:29,180 --> 00:56:27,059
class of squid we have a model of the

1297
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:29,190
megamouth shark and I have like a

1298
00:56:35,870 --> 00:56:32,400
hundred and fifty cast into display case

1299
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:35,880
and skulls and Yeti material hair sample

1300
00:56:43,309 --> 00:56:40,650
fecal material a cat area Loch Ness lake

1301
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,319
monster area sea serpent and that's just

1302
00:56:47,059 --> 00:56:46,079
in the evidence room and then in the

1303
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:47,069
outer room

1304
00:56:53,779 --> 00:56:51,089
it's a popular cultural and art inspired

1305
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:53,789
materials out there like we have the

1306
00:57:00,140 --> 00:56:57,359
Jackalope full-size of the prop from the

1307
00:57:04,339 --> 00:57:00,150
movie Pete PT Barnum of the Fiji mermaid

1308
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:04,349
that's three and a half feet tall Laurel

1309
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:05,880
any shirt and hat from the Mothman

1310
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:08,940
Prophecies because I actually consulted

1311
00:57:17,299 --> 00:57:14,130
to that movie items of chupacabras items

1312
00:57:20,779 --> 00:57:17,309
from Jersey Devil the Dover demon and

1313
00:57:21,710 --> 00:57:20,789
the foot from the terror of Turner which

1314
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,720
was a

1315
00:57:27,130 --> 00:57:24,240
case up here in Maine of a creature that

1316
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:27,140
was found and there was a worldwide

1317
00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:30,330
interest in that it was sometimes called

1318
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:32,340
the Maine mutant anyway I've got the

1319
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:34,800
foot in a little jar and that gets a lot

1320
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:37,740
of attention so it just was really nice

1321
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:39,720
to move into this new space because we

1322
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:41,670
really have room to stretch your legs

1323
00:57:47,060 --> 00:57:43,830
and when groups of people come through

1324
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:47,070
here though they have plenty of room and

1325
00:57:53,150 --> 00:57:50,490
it's just uh you know today we had

1326
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:53,160
everybody from a couple of zoologist

1327
00:57:59,450 --> 00:57:57,030
from Florida and a man from England who

1328
00:58:02,990 --> 00:57:59,460
was a zoologist a schoolteacher a

1329
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:03,000
midwife an artist a Potter no

1330
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:05,010
construction workers truck drivers

1331
00:58:10,430 --> 00:58:07,530
everybody in the world who's heard about

1332
00:58:12,950 --> 00:58:10,440
and good reading about cryptozoology or

1333
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:12,960
they just are on vacation and we're now

1334
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:15,930
on all of the top list of places to go

1335
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:18,990
in in Portland Maine and so it's just a

1336
00:58:24,380 --> 00:58:22,050
kind of a mecca for people to come to me

1337
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:24,390
know I'm just and here it's not free

1338
00:58:28,910 --> 00:58:26,280
you're charging a modest admission fee

1339
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:28,920
Oh five dollars for kids seven dollars

1340
00:58:32,810 --> 00:58:31,530
for adults yeah very modest and you know

1341
00:58:34,970 --> 00:58:32,820
people can take all the pictures and

1342
00:58:37,070 --> 00:58:34,980
stay as long as they want as as my

1343
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,080
docents often tell me I'm one of the

1344
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:39,839
major attractions right behind the fact

1345
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:42,810
that we do have a restroom may being one

1346
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:44,940
of the exhibits in being here's gets a

1347
00:58:49,099 --> 00:58:46,890
lot of attention too so you find people

1348
00:58:51,410 --> 00:58:49,109
coming from all over the world to talk

1349
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,420
to you oh yeah all over the world there

1350
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:53,760
was one man who was he came all the way

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00:58:58,670 --> 00:58:56,010
from Sydney Australia to a business

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00:59:00,680 --> 00:58:58,680
meeting in Boston he got on a train in

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00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:00,690
Boston came up to the railroad station

1354
00:59:05,540 --> 00:59:03,150
here in Portland walked from the

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00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:05,550
railroad station which is a about a mile

1356
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:07,770
and a half to the museum went to the

1357
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:10,170
museum took all kinds of pictures talked

1358
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:12,690
to me for a while walked back to the

1359
00:59:18,050 --> 00:59:15,150
train station took the train back to it

1360
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:18,060
to Boston there's people from we had a

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00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:20,490
person from Tibet we've had people from

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00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:23,400
New Zealand Australia when we opened

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00:59:30,650 --> 00:59:27,810
downtown in 2009 on opening day we had

1364
00:59:32,990 --> 00:59:30,660
82 people show up when we reopened to

1365
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:33,000
what he had a grand reopening a month

1366
00:59:37,550 --> 00:59:35,310
ago the day before Halloween

1367
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:37,560
hundred and sixty-two people came here

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00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:40,410
and really from all over people people

1369
00:59:46,610 --> 00:59:42,860
drove up from Baltimore people came from

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00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:46,620
Connecticut Boston all over Maine it was

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00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:49,950
quite exciting and and you know it's one

1372
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:52,410
of those places that people I remember

1373
00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:54,690
at the end of October it was the last

1374
01:00:00,560 --> 00:59:58,500
couple that had came to the old museum

1375
01:00:03,050 --> 01:00:00,570
when it was around the corner in the

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01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:03,060
littler space and they said that they'd

1377
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:07,170
just flown in from Madrid Spain they

1378
01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:10,170
heard me on a podcast over in Spain and

1379
01:00:14,900 --> 01:00:12,780
they had just got married they were on

1380
01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:14,910
their honeymoon in New England and the

1381
01:00:25,910 --> 01:00:16,950
first place they wanted to come this

1382
01:00:29,540 --> 01:00:25,920
museum to work with the travel agencies

1383
01:00:31,970 --> 01:00:29,550
here and develop a package well so I was

1384
01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:31,980
remarkable that was a couple number

1385
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:35,100
eleven in two weeks that said they were

1386
01:00:39,230 --> 01:00:37,410
on honeymoon and had stopped at the

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01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:39,240
museum during their honeymoon

1388
01:00:45,740 --> 01:00:43,250
I was very long yeah it was kind of very

1389
01:00:48,650 --> 01:00:45,750
bizarre and there was actually one

1390
01:00:51,890 --> 01:00:48,660
couple that came through about a year

1391
01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:51,900
ago and they were fascinated by the fur

1392
01:00:56,780 --> 01:00:54,270
bearing trout took all kinds of pictures

1393
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:56,790
asked me a lot about it and then a month

1394
01:01:02,470 --> 01:00:59,640
after they left I got this postcard and

1395
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:02,480
they said we're still on our 33rd

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01:01:07,700 --> 01:01:05,460
honeymoon anniversary honeymoon and

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01:01:10,790 --> 01:01:07,710
we're up in Alaska and we found a

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fur-bearing trout salmon and here's the

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:13,170
postcard for your collection that was

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01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:14,970
really strange but it was very much

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01:01:18,830 --> 01:01:17,310
appreciated for a bearing trout hmm

1402
01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:18,840
that's them interesting when I think

1403
01:01:25,250 --> 01:01:21,540
that's that's a new one for me we can't

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say it's anything fishy haha yes that's

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right in the same category it's right on

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01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:29,670
the wall next to the Jackalope and actor

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will be of course to the next segment we

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have some questions from our listeners

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because we basically anticipated your

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appearance and opened up a thread of the

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parent caste community forums that

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formed out the para caste calm and that

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is here and looking at this stuff and

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you screened out all the ones from my ex

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right well not really I don't think your

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ex-wives are how many ex-wives do you

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have I'm afraid to ask I get - oh okay -

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I have one but she's basically a decent

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person so she posted message we would

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allow her to have that courtesy really

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well yeah I my approach was ex-wives are

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that they actually are decent

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face-to-face but behind your back there

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telling incredible stories about you as

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long as those stories are true it

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becomes fun but my experience is

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learning what has been said has not been

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true we have Loren Coleman of the

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International cryptozoology Museum we're

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not broadcasting this to any of his

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ex-wives you're talking to gene and

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we have Loren Coleman places to the

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01:07:27,830 --> 01:07:25,590
International cryptozoology Museum he's

1550
01:07:30,140 --> 01:07:27,840
dealing with strange creatures that are

1551
01:07:31,700 --> 01:07:30,150
indigenous to earth they're not from

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01:07:33,980 --> 01:07:31,710
outer space not from another dimension

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01:07:36,170 --> 01:07:33,990
they're here now briefly before you were

1554
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,180
talking about the Loch Ness monster of

1555
01:07:41,690 --> 01:07:39,240
course that's one of the classic strange

1556
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:41,700
creature stories so what is a Loch Ness

1557
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:44,130
monster is that some remnant of the

1558
01:07:49,070 --> 01:07:46,470
dinosaur era know unless you're British

1559
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:49,080
it is I mean there is a real breakdown

1560
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:51,180
in the theories between the British and

1561
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:53,970
the Americans the British really will

1562
01:08:00,110 --> 01:07:57,450
tend to consider the Loch Ness monster

1563
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,120
and other related Loch and leg creatures

1564
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:02,400
from the northern hemisphere as pleasee

1565
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:04,890
a source please Leah sores of course are

1566
01:08:10,070 --> 01:08:07,410
these long necked marine reptiles that

1567
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:10,080
people often mistakenly call dinosaurs

1568
01:08:15,140 --> 01:08:12,000
they're not dinosaurs they're just a

1569
01:08:17,810 --> 01:08:15,150
prehistoric marine reptile but if you

1570
01:08:21,170 --> 01:08:17,820
take your arm and you go back and forth

1571
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:21,180
like a little s you can see that that is

1572
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,090
the way that this neck of a reptile and

1573
01:08:30,500 --> 01:08:26,880
a fish moves through the water but if

1574
01:08:32,540 --> 01:08:30,510
you go up and down like through the the

1575
01:08:35,540 --> 01:08:32,550
way that these animals are really moving

1576
01:08:38,060 --> 01:08:35,550
through the water like a dolphin like a

1577
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:38,070
whale like a seal jumping in the water

1578
01:08:43,610 --> 01:08:41,040
that's the way that these lake monsters

1579
01:08:46,300 --> 01:08:43,620
and sea serpents are actually moving and

1580
01:08:49,250 --> 01:08:46,310
they also the reports are that they have

1581
01:08:51,290 --> 01:08:49,260
whiskers they have eyebrows they have

1582
01:08:54,050 --> 01:08:51,300
Mane's they have beards on the male's

1583
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:54,060
these are all characteristics what the

1584
01:08:58,610 --> 01:08:55,560
Americans keep pointing out

1585
01:09:02,600 --> 01:08:58,620
characteristics are mammals mammals

1586
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:02,610
don't need you know landlocked Lake ten

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01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:03,750
thousand years old

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01:09:08,570 --> 01:09:06,210
to survive they just probably

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01:09:11,690 --> 01:09:08,580
communicate back and forth between the

1590
01:09:14,269 --> 01:09:11,700
ocean and Loch Ness for instance Loch

1591
01:09:17,180 --> 01:09:14,279
Ness is only six miles from the ocean

1592
01:09:21,050 --> 01:09:17,190
and actually one of the hidden secrets

1593
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:21,060
about Loch Ness is there's 40 good land

1594
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:24,060
sightings of these creatures crossing

1595
01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:26,970
the road coming up on the shore doing

1596
01:09:33,410 --> 01:09:29,430
things that you would expect from a sea

1597
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:33,420
elephant a walrus a giant seal many of

1598
01:09:37,940 --> 01:09:35,790
these kind of creatures really are

1599
01:09:40,730 --> 01:09:37,950
considered as part of the theories of

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01:09:42,079 --> 01:09:40,740
most American cryptozoologist we tend to

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01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:42,089
think that they're mammals are

1602
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:43,980
warm-blooded you know they're able to

1603
01:09:50,329 --> 01:09:47,250
survive in these large cold Northern

1604
01:09:53,059 --> 01:09:50,339
Lakes if they were marine reptiles they

1605
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:53,069
would have had to be around for 65

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01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:54,000
million years

1607
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:56,040
they would have to have a more

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01:10:00,140 --> 01:09:58,050
warm-bloodedness which is not a

1609
01:10:01,970 --> 01:10:00,150
certainty with the polizia source and

1610
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:01,980
they would have to move in a different

1611
01:10:07,490 --> 01:10:04,500
way and then they would have had fur on

1612
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:07,500
their scales instead of what we think is

1613
01:10:12,380 --> 01:10:10,290
just a kind of more like a snake or

1614
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:12,390
lizard skin a real difference there

1615
01:10:15,980 --> 01:10:14,370
between Americans and the British do you

1616
01:10:18,530 --> 01:10:15,990
think there's a there's some sort of

1617
01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:18,540
relationship commonality between let's

1618
01:10:23,090 --> 01:10:20,760
say you know Nessie Loch Ness monster

1619
01:10:26,420 --> 01:10:23,100
and then other lake creatures like

1620
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:26,430
champy and then the one up in in Canada

1621
01:10:31,580 --> 01:10:28,110
I forget the name that they would scribe

1622
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,590
Pogo okay I'll go and caddy and all of

1623
01:10:36,230 --> 01:10:34,320
those Ivan Sanderson looked at their

1624
01:10:38,660 --> 01:10:36,240
lake monster reports and I mentioned

1625
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:38,670
this in my field guide to Bigfoot if you

1626
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:41,970
take globe of the world and you put your

1627
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:45,210
fingers on the top actually the kind of

1628
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:47,730
the lower part of Canada and the

1629
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:49,530
northern part of the United States and

1630
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:51,600
you take those feet your fingers or a

1631
01:10:57,170 --> 01:10:54,210
ruler or some kind of instrument go

1632
01:10:59,600 --> 01:10:57,180
right around the world all of the lakes

1633
01:11:03,890 --> 01:10:59,610
in the Northern Hemisphere are in a

1634
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:03,900
small band and Ivan Sanderson called

1635
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:07,050
these the monster latitudes all of the

1636
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:10,020
lakes in those areas and around the

1637
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:10,560
world

1638
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:13,830
are usually in boreal forests so

1639
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:17,850
northern Russia Siberia Scandinavia

1640
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,370
Scotland Ireland right around the world

1641
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:23,760
into Asia into North America you had

1642
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,010
these legs deep water lakes you know

1643
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:28,320
there's enough water in Loch Ness to

1644
01:11:34,670 --> 01:11:31,350
cover everyone on earth under six feet

1645
01:11:37,820 --> 01:11:34,680
of water it is that massive Lake Salle

1646
01:11:39,620 --> 01:11:37,830
complete deep 23 feet long and it has

1647
01:11:42,740 --> 01:11:39,630
that much water and I mean it's just

1648
01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:42,750
amazing people don't realize how much

1649
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:45,540
water these lakes have him anyway if you

1650
01:11:49,660 --> 01:11:47,340
look at all those lakes right around the

1651
01:11:51,980 --> 01:11:49,670
northern tier of the world they have

1652
01:11:54,650 --> 01:11:51,990
similarities they have similarities and

1653
01:11:57,740 --> 01:11:54,660
in the habitats in the temperature in

1654
01:12:00,410 --> 01:11:57,750
the depths and then if you look at the

1655
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:00,420
creature reports they all tend to move

1656
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:03,480
like dolphins through the water or seals

1657
01:12:08,540 --> 01:12:05,940
up and down up and down and that's why

1658
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:08,550
you get this kind of mythical notion

1659
01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:10,830
that these animals have coils it's not

1660
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:12,840
so much they have coils but they're

1661
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:15,540
moving through the water in that way so

1662
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:18,960
that the artist you know artistic motif

1663
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:22,010
really started drawing sea serpents and

1664
01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:25,530
lake monsters that way as if they had

1665
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,110
these coils and it's not so much the

1666
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,360
coils but it's the way they move and so

1667
01:12:36,500 --> 01:12:32,880
yes I think there's a lot of commonality

1668
01:12:38,570 --> 01:12:36,510
I'm not sure you know obviously that's a

1669
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,580
large area around the world so there

1670
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:40,800
could be different species there could

1671
01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:43,290
be different subspecies but in general

1672
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:45,750
my whole one of the theories that I've

1673
01:12:51,050 --> 01:12:48,120
been very attached to over the years is

1674
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:51,060
that you have a giant seal with a long

1675
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:54,000
neck and that the males look a little

1676
01:12:58,610 --> 01:12:56,370
bit different than the females so the

1677
01:13:01,910 --> 01:12:58,620
males have much more hair on their body

1678
01:13:03,230 --> 01:13:01,920
much more whiskering and the mane and

1679
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:03,240
different things like that

1680
01:13:09,830 --> 01:13:06,690
the females look you know similar shapes

1681
01:13:12,260 --> 01:13:09,840
but a more streamlined and smaller body

1682
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,270
so that some people think that they're

1683
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:14,460
two different kinds of animals and I

1684
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:17,210
think it's just sexual dumb dimorphism

1685
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:20,570
interesting so I do think that the

1686
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:24,150
waterhorses is a better than Lake

1687
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,340
Monsters or sea serpents I think we're

1688
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:28,920
talking about water horses all over the

1689
01:13:35,020 --> 01:13:31,650
world and it's a nice name because

1690
01:13:39,649 --> 01:13:35,030
you know it's kind of like sea lions and

1691
01:13:43,399 --> 01:13:39,659
tell people kelpies yes kelpies except

1692
01:13:46,669 --> 01:13:43,409
japanese has a real you know connection

1693
01:13:48,770 --> 01:13:46,679
to scotland ireland so water horses if

1694
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:48,780
we're going to speak in english it can

1695
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:50,580
be used around the world in a nice way

1696
01:13:56,270 --> 01:13:54,060
so have you guys been to Scotland well I

1697
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,280
haven't my son I haven't made it up far

1698
01:14:00,500 --> 01:13:58,400
north I've been to Ireland but not

1699
01:14:03,169 --> 01:14:00,510
essentially but but I haven't made it up

1700
01:14:06,380 --> 01:14:03,179
north welcome there well I I did a

1701
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:06,390
two-week expedition in 1999 he gave the

1702
01:14:12,229 --> 01:14:09,570
first keynote at the first International

1703
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:12,239
cryptozoology symposium at La Crescent

1704
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:17,010
in 99 in July and it was just a great

1705
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:19,440
experience I mean to go to a place that

1706
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:22,710
had to Loch Ness monster museums within

1707
01:14:27,860 --> 01:14:24,120
one block of each other

1708
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:27,870
certainly a 99 inspired me to to really

1709
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:30,120
get it together to have my museum become

1710
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:34,170
a reality because Loch Ness really for

1711
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:36,630
me was the epicenter of cryptozoology I

1712
01:14:43,580 --> 01:14:39,480
think a lot of very open-minded people

1713
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:43,590
and and certainly they understand echo

1714
01:14:49,149 --> 01:14:47,250
or what I now call crypto tourism the in

1715
01:14:51,890 --> 01:14:49,159
all of these spots around the world

1716
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:51,900
there are different sightings different

1717
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:54,090
kinds of creatures and if you're going

1718
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,730
to you know you're going to be there and

1719
01:14:59,840 --> 01:14:58,320
understand that tourists are going to

1720
01:15:02,899 --> 01:14:59,850
come there and ask you questions you

1721
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:02,909
might as well be prepared with your

1722
01:15:08,660 --> 01:15:06,000
souvenirs and your you know Loch Ness

1723
01:15:10,970 --> 01:15:08,670
plates or tea towels or whatever it is

1724
01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:10,980
because Loch Ness has certainly made

1725
01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:13,070
money you know Roswell made money

1726
01:15:18,350 --> 01:15:16,440
Mothman and Point Pleasant is certainly

1727
01:15:21,020 --> 01:15:18,360
trying to keep some of these dying

1728
01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:21,030
little communities alive with crypto

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of sacrifice accuracy and the scientific

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realism in order to make those fees well

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I think you know I certainly know that

1840
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one of the things that bernard

1841
01:20:38,959 --> 01:20:35,909
heuvelmans said is when humans encounter

1842
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:38,969
new animals there's a period in which

1843
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:43,050
the animals become fantastic so in some

1844
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:47,280
ways that actually happens in museums

1845
01:20:53,379 --> 01:20:50,010
too when you get somebody through the

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door and you want them to learn

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01:20:58,609 --> 01:20:56,400
scientifically scholarly educationally

1848
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:58,619
you're also going to have to take into

1849
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account that one of the first questions

1850
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:03,449
that they're going to ask is do bumbles

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bounce or are all snowmen white or do

1852
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:11,130
you think the Loch Ness monster eat

1853
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:14,940
sheep or why couldn't the chupacabras be

1854
01:21:18,379 --> 01:21:17,730
real and be vampire sucking blood from

1855
01:21:21,290 --> 01:21:18,389
all the goats

1856
01:21:23,359 --> 01:21:21,300
in South Florida so if you're going to

1857
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:23,369
understand the general public and that

1858
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:25,260
that's where the general public is

1859
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,570
you're going to have to be responsive to

1860
01:21:33,859 --> 01:21:30,480
that in almost an over exaggerated way

1861
01:21:36,290 --> 01:21:33,869
because museums are not stupid and they

1862
01:21:38,419 --> 01:21:36,300
know that they need to be entertaining

1863
01:21:40,609 --> 01:21:38,429
or people will not keep coming back to

1864
01:21:44,479 --> 01:21:40,619
learn and I think we learned that about

1865
01:21:47,149 --> 01:21:44,489
TV you know even the best documentaries

1866
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:47,159
on TV are not the ones that are very

1867
01:21:52,370 --> 01:21:49,800
boring you know they have good music

1868
01:21:55,879 --> 01:21:52,380
they have good visuals doesn't all of

1869
01:21:58,520 --> 01:21:55,889
those things so yes I think they're

1870
01:22:01,550 --> 01:21:58,530
probably some of the museums are worse

1871
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:01,560
than others for instance if you go to

1872
01:22:07,230 --> 01:22:03,250
the - and lock

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01:22:10,410 --> 01:22:07,240
one of them is very very old cold and

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01:22:13,620 --> 01:22:10,420
drafty but one of the fascinating things

1875
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:13,630
about that is it's built around a very

1876
01:22:20,010 --> 01:22:17,920
old Victorian looking theatre so you go

1877
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into it and they you know there's all of

1878
01:22:24,690 --> 01:22:22,180
these old wooden seats in the theatre

1879
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:24,700
and then up on the screen they start

1880
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showing a 1933 movie of the Loch Ness

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01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:30,730
monster it's fascinating and it couldn't

1882
01:22:35,310 --> 01:22:33,040
happen in a better better kind of

1883
01:22:38,370 --> 01:22:35,320
location then you go across the street

1884
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:38,380
and for about it seemed like four times

1885
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:41,380
as much admission you're drawn into this

1886
01:22:46,230 --> 01:22:44,290
place and it has laser lights nice

1887
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:46,240
charts and a lot of electronic equipment

1888
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:50,050
and yet you don't get as good a feeling

1889
01:22:54,390 --> 01:22:52,090
there because they're trying to tell you

1890
01:22:57,050 --> 01:22:54,400
in that other museum the one with all of

1891
01:22:59,130 --> 01:22:57,060
the technology that we shouldn't really

1892
01:23:01,710 --> 01:22:59,140
worry about the Loch Ness monster

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01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:01,720
because that's not the important thing

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01:23:07,170 --> 01:23:04,210
that we want to talk about to you today

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01:23:09,480 --> 01:23:07,180
we want to talk about the ecology of the

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lake and how we want to save the fish

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01:23:14,250 --> 01:23:11,590
and we don't really think a lot Ness

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01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:14,260
monster even exists and they probably

1899
01:23:19,020 --> 01:23:17,440
have easier to say I came and saw Loch

1900
01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:19,030
Ness and all I got was a bottle of

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01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:22,990
single-malt Highland Scotch well what

1902
01:23:29,670 --> 01:23:25,330
was funny is that I had along on that

1903
01:23:32,520 --> 01:23:29,680
expedition my two sons at 7 and 12 and a

1904
01:23:34,110 --> 01:23:32,530
7-eleven or something anyway one of my

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01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:34,120
youngest son we went through this whole

1906
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:37,570
exhibit really hot snazzy for million

1907
01:23:43,410 --> 01:23:41,260
dollar museum hole right bells and

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01:23:46,110 --> 01:23:43,420
whistles were going off and it were

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dumped out into the largest souvenir

1910
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shop I'd ever seen and my little son

1911
01:23:54,420 --> 01:23:51,450
Caleb looks up at me and he says dad

1912
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:54,430
they just told us we weren't supposed to

1913
01:23:58,410 --> 01:23:56,260
believe in the Loch Ness monster and

1914
01:24:01,710 --> 01:23:58,420
they want us to buy all of these things

1915
01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:01,720
and it was like for not well yeah the

1916
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:04,150
mouths of kids comes a reality in the

1917
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:06,760
truth of it and it was just it's so true

1918
01:24:11,610 --> 01:24:08,980
it was just kind of a contradiction

1919
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:11,620
that's something that we we wrestle with

1920
01:24:16,590 --> 01:24:14,890
here on the podcast weekly is the pop

1921
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,600
culture view of a lot of the subject

1922
01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:18,880
we cover including cryptozoology there's

1923
01:24:22,590 --> 01:24:21,070
people that are serious investigators

1924
01:24:24,030 --> 01:24:22,600
and researchers that are out there in

1925
01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:24,040
the trenches and then there's others

1926
01:24:27,750 --> 01:24:25,720
trying to capitalize on public

1927
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:27,760
perceptions of these subjects right

1928
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:29,770
correct well I try to be someplace in

1929
01:24:35,130 --> 01:24:32,410
between I'm not really out to capitalize

1930
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:35,140
but I want to I want to help educate

1931
01:24:40,380 --> 01:24:37,210
people with the museum and I know that I

1932
01:24:42,150 --> 01:24:40,390
have to be you know aware that people

1933
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:42,160
are going to come in and one of the you

1934
01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:43,750
know if it's a certain group of people

1935
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:45,310
are going to say where's where's the

1936
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:47,860
Mothman material where's the Chupacabra

1937
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:49,930
material and I say over there and that

1938
01:24:54,750 --> 01:24:52,210
well where's all your your Bigfoot toys

1939
01:24:57,090 --> 01:24:54,760
and I have a whole cabinet of popular

1940
01:24:59,370 --> 01:24:57,100
cultural items that have you know even

1941
01:25:02,010 --> 01:24:59,380
the one from Six Million Dollar Man

1942
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,020
because people look for those things and

1943
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:04,000
that's their experience a Bigfoot and

1944
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:06,970
then from there they can branch out and

1945
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:09,310
learn more about the Patterson film more

1946
01:25:13,410 --> 01:25:11,530
about the Grays Harbor Bigfoot series of

1947
01:25:15,330 --> 01:25:13,420
tracks that are some of the best tracks

1948
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:15,340
in the country you know different things

1949
01:25:20,850 --> 01:25:17,730
like that but Bates Harbor Washington

1950
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:20,860
Washington State yes yeah yeah was that

1951
01:25:26,610 --> 01:25:24,070
the 1918 sighting now look 1982 yeah Oh

1952
01:25:28,710 --> 01:25:26,620
an 82 okay cause my father's mommy I

1953
01:25:33,570 --> 01:25:28,720
want a 1918 it was quite quite amazing

1954
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:33,580
was right the egg canyon one in 1924 is

1955
01:25:40,650 --> 01:25:36,330
pretty famous and well-known where

1956
01:25:42,870 --> 01:25:40,660
tribal seemingly a tribe a Bigfoot and

1957
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:42,880
threw rocks at a bunch of miners just

1958
01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:45,090
kidding you know one thing that I've

1959
01:25:50,730 --> 01:25:48,630
encountered on a number of occasions

1960
01:25:52,650 --> 01:25:50,740
having a lifelong interest in the

1961
01:25:54,930 --> 01:25:52,660
subject of Bigfoot and Sasquatch and

1962
01:25:58,350 --> 01:25:54,940
growing up in Washington State

1963
01:26:01,620 --> 01:25:58,360
I even might have had a an encounter

1964
01:26:02,730 --> 01:26:01,630
myself but I've talked about it on the

1965
01:26:06,090 --> 01:26:02,740
show a number of times so I won't

1966
01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:06,100
digress but one thing that I've heard is

1967
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:09,670
that there's supposedly a really super

1968
01:26:14,370 --> 01:26:12,850
remote valley that's very difficult to

1969
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,380
get into right in the heart of British

1970
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:15,760
Columbia where there seems to be an

1971
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:18,550
enclave of these of these hominids so

1972
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:20,530
have you ever encountered a story like

1973
01:26:24,390 --> 01:26:22,570
that well there seems to be a

1974
01:26:26,490 --> 01:26:24,400
centralized location in British Columbia

1975
01:26:28,170 --> 01:26:26,500
where these things there's quite a

1976
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:28,180
number of them have you ever heard

1977
01:26:31,860 --> 01:26:30,130
anything like that yeah you might be

1978
01:26:33,390 --> 01:26:31,870
talking back in the haunt valleys and

1979
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:33,400
the hunt valley is also called the

1980
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:37,300
headless valley and that has a long long

1981
01:26:43,260 --> 01:26:40,930
tradition of some strange stories come

1982
01:26:46,170 --> 01:26:43,270
from coming from there like people

1983
01:26:48,210 --> 01:26:46,180
finding alligators there people going

1984
01:26:51,090 --> 01:26:48,220
into the valley and disappearing and

1985
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:51,100
then their bodies being found against

1986
01:26:55,890 --> 01:26:52,810
trees without their heads on their

1987
01:26:59,880 --> 01:26:55,900
bodies and then a lot of Sasquatch

1988
01:27:02,520 --> 01:26:59,890
reports from that Valley so I think that

1989
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:02,530
sounds like to me what you're talking

1990
01:27:08,340 --> 01:27:03,370
about

1991
01:27:10,050 --> 01:27:08,350
a remote valley where people tell you no

1992
01:27:12,270 --> 01:27:10,060
they go there looking for Bigfoot

1993
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:12,280
looking for sasquatch and and end up

1994
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:15,100
dead but you're of course or all of

1995
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:18,810
these stories all over the Yukon and

1996
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:21,040
British Columbia of these different

1997
01:27:25,770 --> 01:27:23,410
places that people say they see Bigfoot

1998
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:25,780
and yet they they never can quite find

1999
01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:27,760
their way back there and certainly don't

2000
01:27:32,700 --> 01:27:29,590
have evidence you know they bring out

2001
01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:32,710
one one feature that I've heard in a

2002
01:27:38,190 --> 01:27:35,080
couple of accounts of this particular

2003
01:27:39,690 --> 01:27:38,200
spot is that at the one entrance into

2004
01:27:42,390 --> 01:27:39,700
this valley which is right as I

2005
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:42,400
mentioned difficult to get into are two

2006
01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:46,480
huge full-grown conifers that have been

2007
01:27:50,910 --> 01:27:47,950
pulled down and then lashed together

2008
01:27:54,690 --> 01:27:50,920
almost like in a McDonald's arches kind

2009
01:27:57,900 --> 01:27:54,700
of motif as its kind of a warning not to

2010
01:27:59,790 --> 01:27:57,910
go in there that's one detail that that

2011
01:28:02,220 --> 01:27:59,800
kind of has stuck in my mind over the

2012
01:28:03,780 --> 01:28:02,230
years but the you know we've been

2013
01:28:05,490 --> 01:28:03,790
talking a lot about Sasquatch and of

2014
01:28:07,710 --> 01:28:05,500
course we've we've dovetailed off into

2015
01:28:09,870 --> 01:28:07,720
the into the lake creatures but before

2016
01:28:11,610 --> 01:28:09,880
we get off the the Bigfoot subject

2017
01:28:13,260 --> 01:28:11,620
there's been a series of articles that

2018
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:13,270
have appeared online here in the last

2019
01:28:17,580 --> 01:28:15,010
couple of weeks that are attempting to

2020
01:28:20,490 --> 01:28:17,590
be bunk yet again the patterson-gimlin

2021
01:28:23,580 --> 01:28:20,500
footage and I think it the detail that

2022
01:28:24,990 --> 01:28:23,590
was brought out in these articles and I

2023
01:28:28,350 --> 01:28:25,000
think I might have even read it on

2024
01:28:30,510 --> 01:28:28,360
Krypton though is that that the footage

2025
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:30,520
of him of Patterson making the actual

2026
01:28:34,770 --> 01:28:32,650
plaster cast one of the tracks

2027
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:34,780
supposedly is missing do you have any

2028
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:37,530
comments on that particular analysis

2029
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:39,910
yeah I think people are talking about

2030
01:28:45,340 --> 01:28:43,810
real number two where Patterson what

2031
01:28:49,370 --> 01:28:45,350
Patterson

2032
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:49,380
he actually any admitted this right

2033
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:52,260
early on it wasn't those were the early

2034
01:29:00,020 --> 01:28:56,010
days 1967 they found the tracks but he

2035
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:00,030
also wanted to show the his whole idea

2036
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:02,130
of making the Patterson film they'll

2037
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:05,460
kind of get a little bit behind it is

2038
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:09,570
that they had decided they were going to

2039
01:29:17,209 --> 01:29:12,770
try to make a home movie slash

2040
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:17,219
documentary about going to find Bigfoot

2041
01:29:21,890 --> 01:29:19,260
so what they were actually doing that

2042
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:21,900
morning they were out there trying to do

2043
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be roles we call it in the documentary

2044
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film business

2045
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they were shooting background footage of

2046
01:29:33,020 --> 01:29:30,810
the trees so that they could say this is

2047
01:29:34,609 --> 01:29:33,030
where you go look for Bigfoot and I'll

2048
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,619
tell you what we gotta look for this

2049
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first we have Loren Coleman with gene

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and Chris you're in Erica are you tired

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2155
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with gene and Chris and Loren Coleman

2156
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:06,210
we're looking for Bigfoot and we're

2157
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looking for Bigfoot documentaries what

2158
01:34:13,610 --> 01:34:10,790
they did is they went out there and then

2159
01:34:15,830 --> 01:34:13,620
accidentally found the Bigfoot filmed it

2160
01:34:17,960 --> 01:34:15,840
and then they went back the next day

2161
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:17,970
because they were so scared of this and

2162
01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:20,400
they found the tracks they're plastered

2163
01:34:25,550 --> 01:34:22,140
making plaster casts of the tracks and

2164
01:34:28,460 --> 01:34:25,560
in the B row what Patterson is doing he

2165
01:34:32,240 --> 01:34:28,470
creates a footprint himself over to the

2166
01:34:35,980 --> 01:34:32,250
side and shows in a much more close-up

2167
01:34:39,380 --> 01:34:35,990
filming how do you pour the plaster into

2168
01:34:40,970 --> 01:34:39,390
imprint to make a big footprint and so

2169
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:40,980
that's what a lot of people are getting

2170
01:34:47,900 --> 01:34:44,250
confused about his Patterson said look I

2171
01:34:50,180 --> 01:34:47,910
did this as a film you know as part of

2172
01:34:52,730 --> 01:34:50,190
the film I wanted to show how to make a

2173
01:34:55,490 --> 01:34:52,740
cast so I made this footprint I didn't

2174
01:34:58,220 --> 01:34:55,500
want to ruin one of the real ones but

2175
01:34:59,840 --> 01:34:58,230
you know if I made a mistake filling it

2176
01:35:02,090 --> 01:34:59,850
full of this stuff and filming it and

2177
01:35:04,100 --> 01:35:02,100
doing all of so he does this over to the

2178
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:04,110
side and people are saying see there's

2179
01:35:08,810 --> 01:35:05,970
no prints there there's no prints there

2180
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:08,820
and so people are getting confused about

2181
01:35:15,290 --> 01:35:11,730
the continuity of the film why he was

2182
01:35:17,180 --> 01:35:15,300
doing this for what reason and it's you

2183
01:35:19,250 --> 01:35:17,190
know these these old films are putting

2184
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,260
lines on them and they're photoshopping

2185
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:21,360
them and are moving things around in

2186
01:35:26,359 --> 01:35:22,110
there

2187
01:35:29,450 --> 01:35:26,369
they're coming up with conspiracies

2188
01:35:32,750 --> 01:35:29,460
within conspiracies and and trying to

2189
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:32,760
and this is all out of the same people

2190
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:35,400
that said patterson-gimlin were there

2191
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:38,580
and did a massacre a Bigfoot and if they

2192
01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:40,320
were really shooting up Bigfoot and

2193
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:43,080
trying to cover it up so I'm very

2194
01:35:48,500 --> 01:35:46,110
suspect of these new debunkers because I

2195
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:48,510
think they have other motivations and

2196
01:35:51,530 --> 01:35:49,800
well where do you come down on the

2197
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:51,540
footage itself you you feel it's still

2198
01:35:56,419 --> 01:35:54,420
the best visual evidence that we have or

2199
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:56,429
do you think that there is a possibility

2200
01:36:01,700 --> 01:35:58,980
of some sort of nefarious you know hunks

2201
01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:01,710
going on no no I'm pretty clear and

2202
01:36:07,070 --> 01:36:03,300
everything I've written everything I've

2203
01:36:10,129 --> 01:36:07,080
said is I'm 95% sure that this is the

2204
01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:10,139
gold standard for proof if we you know

2205
01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:12,600
obviously I'm never going to say it's a

2206
01:36:16,490 --> 01:36:14,760
hundred percent because if you know I

2207
01:36:18,620 --> 01:36:16,500
wasn't there and I don't know but I've

2208
01:36:21,620 --> 01:36:18,630
interviewed Gimlin many times I'd looked

2209
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:21,630
at the film I I've you know examined

2210
01:36:26,510 --> 01:36:24,300
some of these theories were even within

2211
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,520
one book there was two different

2212
01:36:30,410 --> 01:36:28,800
possibilities for what the I mean the

2213
01:36:33,410 --> 01:36:30,420
guy was riding along in the book and he

2214
01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:33,420
said this is definitely a horse hide for

2215
01:36:39,740 --> 01:36:36,840
the red horse hide fur that they made

2216
01:36:43,010 --> 01:36:39,750
into this Bigfoot you know for a costume

2217
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,020
and then later on in it he says you know

2218
01:36:46,609 --> 01:36:44,880
without even knowing that he wrote the

2219
01:36:49,310 --> 01:36:46,619
other chapter he says this is definitely

2220
01:36:52,430 --> 01:36:49,320
a you know Morris gorilla suit

2221
01:36:55,340 --> 01:36:52,440
from his carolina guy and it just

2222
01:36:57,439 --> 01:36:55,350
totally we called that book the tale of

2223
01:37:00,260 --> 01:36:57,449
two suits because he just couldn't get

2224
01:37:02,060 --> 01:37:00,270
his facts read and and you know if you

2225
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:02,070
look at the film and I have the enhanced

2226
01:37:07,580 --> 01:37:05,250
version of the film in the museum we can

2227
01:37:10,609 --> 01:37:07,590
clearly see two independently moving

2228
01:37:13,609 --> 01:37:10,619
breasts you can see large hips you see

2229
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:13,619
somethin a mammalian feature of this

2230
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:16,560
female turning around and staring down

2231
01:37:22,189 --> 01:37:19,440
these two guys these you know Gimlin I

2232
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:22,199
mean he's a big horse wrangler

2233
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:24,330
rough-and-ready kind of guy he was

2234
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:26,820
scared to death that day he said we just

2235
01:37:30,530 --> 01:37:28,409
didn't know she was going to tear us

2236
01:37:32,450 --> 01:37:30,540
from limb to limb there was no way we're

2237
01:37:34,459 --> 01:37:32,460
following her into the woods and we

2238
01:37:35,810 --> 01:37:34,469
didn't hang around and make you know

2239
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,820
plaster cast those good

2240
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:37,199
French we came back the next day and

2241
01:37:41,810 --> 01:37:39,570
made sure she wasn't around we were

2242
01:37:44,060 --> 01:37:41,820
scared to death and if you look at that

2243
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:44,070
film and you think about black bear and

2244
01:37:49,129 --> 01:37:47,310
how black bear mothers scare away you

2245
01:37:51,050 --> 01:37:49,139
know they leave an area but as they're

2246
01:37:54,260 --> 01:37:51,060
leaving they're giving all kinds of in

2247
01:37:55,970 --> 01:37:54,270
mammalian intimidation behavior staring

2248
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:55,980
the people down and saying don't follow

2249
01:37:58,459 --> 01:37:56,400
me

2250
01:38:01,040 --> 01:37:58,469
that's exactly what this Bigfoot does

2251
01:38:02,569 --> 01:38:01,050
yeah boy it could be an angry ex-wife of

2252
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:02,579
some other Bigfoot and you don't want to

2253
01:38:07,729 --> 01:38:04,650
mess around with uh something about

2254
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:07,739
twice as big as you well so far of

2255
01:38:11,629 --> 01:38:09,239
course what we see about Bigfoot it's

2256
01:38:15,169 --> 01:38:11,639
always pretty a pretty distant in terms

2257
01:38:17,359 --> 01:38:15,179
of understanding how smart they are so

2258
01:38:19,609 --> 01:38:17,369
that's a good question here compared to

2259
01:38:21,979 --> 01:38:19,619
humans where do they stand what

2260
01:38:24,470 --> 01:38:21,989
sophistication do they display well I

2261
01:38:27,109 --> 01:38:24,480
mean if you look at them just baseline

2262
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:27,119
they don't they have no culture they

2263
01:38:30,979 --> 01:38:28,770
don't have libraries they don't have

2264
01:38:34,220 --> 01:38:30,989
cars they don't seem to cook their food

2265
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:34,230
they don't have there's occasional

2266
01:38:40,310 --> 01:38:37,679
reports of them taking clothes from

2267
01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,320
lines and maybe trying on a chequered

2268
01:38:44,899 --> 01:38:42,719
church or you know things like that or

2269
01:38:46,939 --> 01:38:44,909
really in the north yeah there's some

2270
01:38:50,180 --> 01:38:46,949
rivers a before that interesting little

2271
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:50,190
cliff yeah the same Naha area na Valley

2272
01:38:53,780 --> 01:38:52,530
area that the Bushmen that are reported

2273
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,790
that you were talking about earlier

2274
01:38:57,589 --> 01:38:55,679
they've been reported because it gets

2275
01:38:59,660 --> 01:38:57,599
colder and colder up north to steal

2276
01:39:02,600 --> 01:38:59,670
people's old boots and wear the boots

2277
01:39:05,209 --> 01:39:02,610
you know actually dr. Carlton and a

2278
01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:05,219
famous anthropologist who spoke at a

2279
01:39:09,649 --> 01:39:07,739
symposium once and British Columbia once

2280
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:09,659
said you know if the meek shall inherit

2281
01:39:14,660 --> 01:39:12,810
the earth it will be Sasquatch because

2282
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:14,670
he said they're smart enough to not live

2283
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:17,610
in cities where there's smog and so if

2284
01:39:22,939 --> 01:39:20,610
you look at it from that perspective all

2285
01:39:26,540 --> 01:39:22,949
that we do to you know take care of

2286
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:26,550
ourselves keep ourselves warm calm rest

2287
01:39:31,729 --> 01:39:29,550
communicate politics whatever no there's

2288
01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:31,739
no Herbert Kane among the Bigfoot

2289
01:39:36,620 --> 01:39:34,590
there's no you know Bill Riley in

2290
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:36,630
commentary and all kinds of things like

2291
01:39:45,740 --> 01:39:41,730
that you got a big big gap there you

2292
01:39:46,280 --> 01:39:45,750
basically have a hominoid animal in the

2293
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:46,290
woods

2294
01:39:49,700 --> 01:39:48,449
occasionally eating occasionally being

2295
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:49,710
seen by humans

2296
01:39:57,800 --> 01:39:54,330
and most of the time you know mating

2297
01:40:01,640 --> 01:39:57,810
having having offspring defecating and

2298
01:40:03,530 --> 01:40:01,650
eating basic animal needs and there's

2299
01:40:06,290 --> 01:40:03,540
nothing wrong with any of those but

2300
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:06,300
there's certainly not there's nothing in

2301
01:40:14,300 --> 01:40:11,010
that takes conscious intelligence you

2302
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:14,310
have unconscious survival drives that

2303
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:17,370
are motivating what we see from Bigfoot

2304
01:40:23,870 --> 01:40:21,450
can I then tell you the IQ of them or do

2305
01:40:26,330 --> 01:40:23,880
I know if they're psychic or tell you

2306
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:26,340
know have telepathy or any of that of

2307
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:28,890
course not we have absolutely no

2308
01:40:35,030 --> 01:40:31,440
evidence you have a few reports from a

2309
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:35,040
handful of Bigfoot contactees who say

2310
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:37,050
the thing you know they're standing on

2311
01:40:42,380 --> 01:40:39,600
the edge of their farmland and they're

2312
01:40:45,260 --> 01:40:42,390
taking in the thoughts of a Bigfoot now

2313
01:40:49,100 --> 01:40:45,270
I have no evidence that that's not some

2314
01:40:51,500 --> 01:40:49,110
kind of freak a psychotic behavior where

2315
01:40:52,910 --> 01:40:51,510
if the person is actually listening to

2316
01:40:56,209 --> 01:40:52,920
Bigfoot it

2317
01:40:59,020 --> 01:40:56,219
there's no measurable evidence that

2318
01:41:01,130 --> 01:40:59,030
these creatures are talking to humans

2319
01:41:04,370 --> 01:41:01,140
telepathically or with some kind of

2320
01:41:05,690 --> 01:41:04,380
Indian language or any of that so you

2321
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:05,700
know a lot of people come in here and

2322
01:41:11,150 --> 01:41:08,250
they think I'm a true believer I never

2323
01:41:14,030 --> 01:41:11,160
use the word believer I'm open-minded

2324
01:41:17,180 --> 01:41:14,040
but I'm skeptical all the time yeah

2325
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:17,190
count me among that that God - I never

2326
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:19,410
used a B word or the P word the prophecy

2327
01:41:23,810 --> 01:41:21,780
word prophesize or I believe I don't

2328
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:23,820
believe any other stuff but boy it sure

2329
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:26,370
is interesting and I think that a lot of

2330
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:29,010
the skeptics - bunkers are just as bad

2331
01:41:33,530 --> 01:41:31,650
as the true believers the people that I

2332
01:41:36,350 --> 01:41:33,540
feel most uncomfortable with in a room

2333
01:41:38,570 --> 01:41:36,360
is is that - into the continuum the true

2334
01:41:40,130 --> 01:41:38,580
believers and the debunkers because the

2335
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:40,140
debunkers come into all of these

2336
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:43,530
investigations completely closed-minded

2337
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,010
to any of the possibilities that these

2338
01:41:50,540 --> 01:41:48,239
species these creatures could actually

2339
01:41:51,979 --> 01:41:50,550
exist well let's uh but you know since

2340
01:41:54,410 --> 01:41:51,989
we're on the subject we do have some

2341
01:41:57,830 --> 01:41:54,420
questions from our forum showing me

2342
01:41:59,479 --> 01:41:57,840
great - uh to fire at you and you know

2343
01:42:01,670 --> 01:41:59,489
you have answered a couple of these but

2344
01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:01,680
Xylo wants to know historically the

2345
01:42:05,449 --> 01:42:03,449
majority of Bigfoot or Sasquatch

2346
01:42:07,459 --> 01:42:05,459
I've been from the Northwest region of

2347
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:07,469
North America - what do you attribute

2348
01:42:11,959 --> 01:42:09,449
the widespread sightings reports that

2349
01:42:13,729 --> 01:42:11,969
we've seen in modern times that's one

2350
01:42:16,129 --> 01:42:13,739
question that he has the second question

2351
01:42:17,959 --> 01:42:16,139
is in cases of Bigfoot DNA evidence when

2352
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:17,969
the evidence returns is unknown primate

2353
01:42:22,669 --> 01:42:20,489
have any researchers correlated the DNA

2354
01:42:25,009 --> 01:42:22,679
profiles of these unknowns okay the

2355
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:25,019
first question well you have a lot of

2356
01:42:31,219 --> 01:42:27,690
the copycat effect and the cultural you

2357
01:42:33,589 --> 01:42:31,229
know osmosis when you have such a high

2358
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:33,599
interest in Bigfoot you can get all

2359
01:42:38,319 --> 01:42:35,400
kinds of people saying they saw Bigfoot

2360
01:42:41,390 --> 01:42:38,329
I think that 80% of the sightings are

2361
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:41,400
misidentification a large bear the back

2362
01:42:46,009 --> 01:42:43,530
end of a moose your grandmother and a

2363
01:42:47,719 --> 01:42:46,019
fur coat I mean I don't talk about those

2364
01:42:56,540 --> 01:42:47,729
grandmothers and fur coats that are

2365
01:42:58,189 --> 01:42:56,550
mistaken for Bigfoot the natives would

2366
01:43:01,520 --> 01:42:58,199
play Loren that diamond that that's my

2367
01:43:05,359 --> 01:43:01,530
new one on me oh really oh I have

2368
01:43:09,290 --> 01:43:05,369
actually seen YouTube footage of a plane

2369
01:43:12,020 --> 01:43:09,300
flying over a field and it looks upon

2370
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:12,030
closer examination like somebody's

2371
01:43:18,290 --> 01:43:15,090
grandfather or grandmother in a fur coat

2372
01:43:21,379 --> 01:43:18,300
walking along the edge of a field with a

2373
01:43:23,870 --> 01:43:21,389
walking stick and somebody posted that

2374
01:43:27,370 --> 01:43:23,880
on YouTube as saying this is my Bigfoot

2375
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:27,380
film and it happens more than you think

2376
01:43:34,699 --> 01:43:31,650
that's it really does anyway so where

2377
01:43:37,279 --> 01:43:34,709
was I you know so you got all of these

2378
01:43:39,830 --> 01:43:37,289
situations then one thing that I think

2379
01:43:42,949 --> 01:43:39,840
we're kind of becoming more aware of is

2380
01:43:45,770 --> 01:43:42,959
it if you remember living in the 50s and

2381
01:43:48,350 --> 01:43:45,780
the 60s every day you would pick up your

2382
01:43:51,680 --> 01:43:48,360
newspaper and there'd be UFO sightings

2383
01:43:54,529 --> 01:43:51,690
they they ground them in the papers and

2384
01:43:58,520 --> 01:43:54,539
you just don't get that many anymore

2385
01:44:01,879 --> 01:43:58,530
what do you get you do in the 80s and

2386
01:44:04,729 --> 01:44:01,889
the 70s you started getting people doing

2387
01:44:06,620 --> 01:44:04,739
you off from UFO then into Bigfoot and

2388
01:44:08,509 --> 01:44:06,630
so you get some of those things you

2389
01:44:09,469 --> 01:44:08,519
don't even have those sightings in the

2390
01:44:11,180 --> 01:44:09,479
paper anymore

2391
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,190
I guess it isn't weird enough you want

2392
01:44:15,739 --> 01:44:13,679
something that involves a politician

2393
01:44:16,790 --> 01:44:15,749
because that's the weirdest thing of all

2394
01:44:18,860 --> 01:44:16,800
sometimes we have

2395
01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:18,870
Coleman who's definitely not weird with

2396
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:20,760
gene and Chris who definitely are weird

2397
01:44:31,700 --> 01:44:29,850
you're in the GC and radio network

2398
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2399
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2400
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and live.com hi this is ted Anderson

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have you ever wondered why banks

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stockbrokers investment advisors won't

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talk about gold IRAs they've been

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available since 1986 yet the financial

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industry won't recognize the value of

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gold for your attire 'men goal has

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outperformed paper investments yet no

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word about IRAs if you would like to

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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01:46:01,780 --> 01:45:59,720
here's Jane Steinberg for our final home

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01:46:03,730 --> 01:46:01,790
stretch of the show for more segments

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01:46:05,380 --> 01:46:03,740
with Loren Coleman he of course is

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01:46:07,900 --> 01:46:05,390
proprietor and chief cook and bottle

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01:46:10,420 --> 01:46:07,910
washer and the floor sweeper right of

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01:46:12,580 --> 01:46:10,430
the International cryptozoology Museum

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01:46:13,330 --> 01:46:12,590
well we use a vacuum cleaner but yes

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01:46:16,510 --> 01:46:13,340
okay

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01:46:18,970 --> 01:46:16,520
he's the floor vacuum cleaner were with

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01:46:20,230 --> 01:46:18,980
gene and Chris and the power cast so is

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01:46:21,880 --> 01:46:20,240
that the end of that particular question

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01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:21,890
do we need to move now I think there was

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01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:23,450
a part two what was the part that was a

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01:46:28,390 --> 01:46:25,600
part two about that in a evidence and

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01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:28,400
okay so Chris just briefly summarize

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01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:30,290
part two of the question that's have the

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01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:32,810
answer yeah in other words in cases of

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01:46:37,540 --> 01:46:34,850
Bigfoot DNA evidence or potential DNA

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01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:37,550
evidence when the evidence returns from

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01:46:42,850 --> 01:46:40,550
testing as quote unknown primate unquote

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01:46:45,010 --> 01:46:42,860
have any research is correlated to DNA

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01:46:47,380 --> 01:46:45,020
profiles of these unknowns and if DNA

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01:46:48,970 --> 01:46:47,390
database could be created would that be

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01:46:53,220 --> 01:46:48,980
sufficient to establish the species

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01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:53,230
profile in the scientific community yes

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01:47:00,550 --> 01:46:57,920
yes no what has occurred is that some

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01:47:02,980 --> 01:47:00,560
scientists are correlating the DNA

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01:47:05,380 --> 01:47:02,990
sampling that's going on and trying to

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01:47:07,330 --> 01:47:05,390
show that there's some overlap one of

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01:47:10,930 --> 01:47:07,340
the problem there of course is we do not

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01:47:14,140 --> 01:47:10,940
have a genome for a sasquatch so just

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01:47:16,030 --> 01:47:14,150
because you get Part B here and part G

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01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,040
there and try to say that they belonged

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01:47:20,770 --> 01:47:18,320
to the same animal you're going to get

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01:47:23,020 --> 01:47:20,780
different parts of the picture and so

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01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:23,030
then you know you're trying to correlate

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01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:25,370
that but it still would not be enough

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01:47:31,360 --> 01:47:28,010
evidence because you don't have the type

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01:47:34,510 --> 01:47:31,370
specimen to compare it to so it's always

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01:47:36,910 --> 01:47:34,520
going to come back a little short I mean

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01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:36,920
after all the human genome is the first

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01:47:41,680 --> 01:47:39,770
one that we've really catalogued and we

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01:47:45,850 --> 01:47:41,690
don't even have the genome of a lot of

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01:47:47,470 --> 01:47:45,860
other animals yet yeah well here's

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01:47:49,750 --> 01:47:47,480
another one now you mention the copycat

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01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:49,760
effect this comes from our listener and

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01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:51,770
post Chris Aptos could the copycat

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01:47:55,510 --> 01:47:53,510
effect be applied to cryptids and other

2474
01:47:55,939 --> 01:47:55,520
or other paranormal sightings for that

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01:47:58,280 --> 01:47:55,949
matter

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01:48:00,290 --> 01:47:58,290
and he's putting the word paranormal in

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01:48:01,669 --> 01:48:00,300
there but does your research lead you to

2478
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:01,679
believe that reports of cryptid

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01:48:07,370 --> 01:48:04,170
sightings occur in clusters yeah exactly

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01:48:10,130 --> 01:48:07,380
and I actually in my my book the copycat

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01:48:13,630 --> 01:48:10,140
effect I start out in the beginning by

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01:48:16,820 --> 01:48:13,640
talking about the waves of alligator

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01:48:19,430 --> 01:48:16,830
reports where alligators were fatally

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01:48:22,580 --> 01:48:19,440
attacking people and the summer of the

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01:48:25,370 --> 01:48:22,590
shark attacks those kinds of things

2486
01:48:28,130 --> 01:48:25,380
happen all the time but when the media

2487
01:48:30,229 --> 01:48:28,140
gets interested and starts publicizing

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01:48:33,860 --> 01:48:30,239
things then it actually creates

2489
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,870
artificial clusters and waves and I've

2490
01:48:38,540 --> 01:48:36,239
actually documented that in certain

2491
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:38,550
Bigfoot sightings large snake sightings

2492
01:48:43,990 --> 01:48:41,550
other things where the media becomes

2493
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:44,000
interested and it becomes a artificial

2494
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:48,650
bump in the reports that have no factual

2495
01:48:53,930 --> 01:48:51,090
connection to reality there there

2496
01:48:56,300 --> 01:48:53,940
doesn't mean cable I found the exact

2497
01:48:58,340 --> 01:48:56,310
same thing yeah okay

2498
01:49:00,380 --> 01:48:58,350
it does happen so what about high

2499
01:49:02,689 --> 01:49:00,390
strangeness cases this one comes from JT

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01:49:05,209 --> 01:49:02,699
of course great forty and showman John

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01:49:07,459 --> 01:49:05,219
keel tie Bigfoot with the paranormal so

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01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:07,469
to stand Gordon and many others we hear

2503
01:49:11,959 --> 01:49:09,810
so many stories of glowing red eyes how

2504
01:49:13,310 --> 01:49:11,969
do you as a scientist reconcile such

2505
01:49:16,189 --> 01:49:13,320
cases especially when they come from

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01:49:18,979 --> 01:49:16,199
reliable sources and let me just Don

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01:49:20,900 --> 01:49:18,989
tail into the stand Gordon a part of

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01:49:23,419 --> 01:49:20,910
this question he does have a very

2509
01:49:26,330 --> 01:49:23,429
interesting case that featured a Bigfoot

2510
01:49:28,250 --> 01:49:26,340
in conjunction with a UFO landed in a on

2511
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:28,260
a farm are you familiar with that case

2512
01:49:35,060 --> 01:49:31,530
yeah which the the Bigfoot supposedly

2513
01:49:37,340 --> 01:49:35,070
had a glowing ball in its hands and I

2514
01:49:39,890 --> 01:49:37,350
moved to a long offense well a lot of

2515
01:49:42,979 --> 01:49:39,900
the Stan Gordon cases a lot of the has

2516
01:49:44,750 --> 01:49:42,989
in my book about Bigfoot I actually do a

2517
01:49:48,410 --> 01:49:44,760
whole chapter on the high strangeness

2518
01:49:51,110 --> 01:49:48,420
and I look at that and it all came out

2519
01:49:54,770 --> 01:49:51,120
of a certain time a little bit post

2520
01:49:58,340 --> 01:49:54,780
hippie 1970s all of the paperbacks were

2521
01:50:00,860 --> 01:49:58,350
coming out high strangeness cases John

2522
01:50:04,550 --> 01:50:00,870
keel who called himself not a ufologist

2523
01:50:07,160 --> 01:50:04,560
got a demonologist he was a demonologist

2524
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:07,170
and he felt that there was this overlap

2525
01:50:12,170 --> 01:50:09,450
it also sold books and he was

2526
01:50:14,390 --> 01:50:12,180
very honest about that but I find that

2527
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,400
once you start looking at those high

2528
01:50:17,780 --> 01:50:17,040
strangeness cases they start falling

2529
01:50:20,930 --> 01:50:17,790
apart

2530
01:50:23,480 --> 01:50:20,940
and they're a real reflection of the

2531
01:50:25,460 --> 01:50:23,490
culture in which those stories came

2532
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:25,470
about you know there's even one report

2533
01:50:33,590 --> 01:50:30,930
from a certain woman in Nevada who says

2534
01:50:37,870 --> 01:50:33,600
that there was a Bigfoot that was

2535
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:37,880
climbing a ladder up into a UFO I mean

2536
01:50:45,290 --> 01:50:41,370
you know you can always find high

2537
01:50:48,770 --> 01:50:45,300
strangeness cases but it doesn't once

2538
01:50:51,800 --> 01:50:48,780
again they're just stories they're

2539
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:51,810
stories and if we look a little bit

2540
01:50:57,860 --> 01:50:54,690
deeper it doesn't seem to be a really

2541
01:51:00,500 --> 01:50:57,870
good testimony that leads us any places

2542
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:00,510
it might be a great story but where does

2543
01:51:04,970 --> 01:51:02,730
it lead us certainly not towards any

2544
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:04,980
evidence not towards any facts

2545
01:51:10,690 --> 01:51:07,770
okay well it's like maybe whiplash is a

2546
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:10,700
fairly recent addition to our community

2547
01:51:15,740 --> 01:51:12,690
wants to know what your thoughts are in

2548
01:51:17,660 --> 01:51:15,750
the recent siberian expedition and his

2549
01:51:19,370 --> 01:51:17,670
second part of the question is what kind

2550
01:51:21,290 --> 01:51:19,380
of funding and logistics would it take

2551
01:51:22,700 --> 01:51:21,300
to launch an investigation to truly

2552
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:22,710
honor the mystery of Bigfoot

2553
01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:26,880
okay well I saw from a distance for one

2554
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:30,860
thing I was invited to go there but the

2555
01:51:36,260 --> 01:51:33,150
invitation was with the stipulation that

2556
01:51:38,330 --> 01:51:36,270
I spent several thousand dollars to go

2557
01:51:40,040 --> 01:51:38,340
and I said you know I'm setting up a

2558
01:51:42,770 --> 01:51:40,050
museum I don't have much money I'm not

2559
01:51:46,250 --> 01:51:42,780
going to spend money to and go to

2560
01:51:48,500 --> 01:51:46,260
Siberia Jeff Meldrum reports that when

2561
01:51:51,320 --> 01:51:48,510
he went into that the cave with the

2562
01:51:53,480 --> 01:51:51,330
expedition they found footprints but

2563
01:51:56,390 --> 01:51:53,490
unfortunately they were all footprints

2564
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:56,400
of only one foot not a right foot and a

2565
01:52:03,410 --> 01:52:00,780
left foot but only only one foot and and

2566
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:03,420
he said that it was intriguing to him

2567
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:05,730
that all of the people that were behind

2568
01:52:11,060 --> 01:52:08,730
this expedition and finding the hair and

2569
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:11,070
finding the footprints were all of the

2570
01:52:17,660 --> 01:52:14,730
tourists people from the local city who

2571
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:17,670
had declared you know a Yeti day and all

2572
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:20,850
of this the the expedition and that

2573
01:52:26,850 --> 01:52:23,410
whole conference was baloney

2574
01:52:29,670 --> 01:52:26,860
was just outright a tourist you know and

2575
01:52:33,030 --> 01:52:29,680
as Jeff said he will not be invited back

2576
01:52:36,420 --> 01:52:33,040
because he said some rather scalding

2577
01:52:39,750 --> 01:52:36,430
things about that whole experience it

2578
01:52:42,710 --> 01:52:39,760
was just a publicity event and it really

2579
01:52:46,890 --> 01:52:42,720
backfired for those people

2580
01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:46,900
yeah it was a publicity stunt oh boy so

2581
01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:49,810
what question mean we don't have any

2582
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:51,490
time flicks out there to our knowledge I

2583
01:52:56,160 --> 01:52:52,800
mean what's it gonna take is it gonna

2584
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,170
take the funding unfortunately and I

2585
01:53:01,350 --> 01:52:58,480
have you know looked at this deeply

2586
01:53:03,890 --> 01:53:01,360
because I I did teach a documentary film

2587
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:03,900
course for 20 years of the University

2588
01:53:10,890 --> 01:53:07,570
the funding that is coming from for

2589
01:53:13,260 --> 01:53:10,900
cryptozoological excursions are from

2590
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:13,270
television and documentary companies and

2591
01:53:17,850 --> 01:53:15,970
how are they setting up this they're

2592
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:17,860
setting it up by getting their sponsors

2593
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:20,800
to give them money and then they fly

2594
01:53:25,590 --> 01:53:23,440
somebody in for a day or two and fly

2595
01:53:27,480 --> 01:53:25,600
them out so you get great footage of

2596
01:53:30,030 --> 01:53:27,490
somebody putting a trail cam around a

2597
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,040
tree looking at it the next morning and

2598
01:53:35,160 --> 01:53:32,800
saying what no evidence a Bigfoot they

2599
01:53:38,310 --> 01:53:35,170
didn't come by here last night it's just

2600
01:53:41,070 --> 01:53:38,320
a joke it's a joke it's a sad joke and

2601
01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:41,080
the real the real research is going on

2602
01:53:45,810 --> 01:53:43,990
in Sumatra a deborah martyr who's been

2603
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:45,820
funded by the flora and fauna

2604
01:53:50,700 --> 01:53:48,850
international society for 20 years she's

2605
01:53:53,730 --> 01:53:50,710
going to find evidence in the Rankine

2606
01:53:55,470 --> 01:53:53,740
deck but it takes it takes the as long

2607
01:53:56,910 --> 01:53:55,480
as it took to build the pyramids you

2608
01:53:59,580 --> 01:53:56,920
know it's not going to happen in a

2609
01:54:01,680 --> 01:53:59,590
weekend the weekend warriors are not the

2610
01:54:04,110 --> 01:54:01,690
way to go well you mentioned trail cams

2611
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:04,120
JT has a question here what do you make

2612
01:54:08,190 --> 01:54:06,010
of the recent findings that alpha male

2613
01:54:10,380 --> 01:54:08,200
coyotes are aware of trail cameras and

2614
01:54:12,690 --> 01:54:10,390
avoid them for your average skeptic that

2615
01:54:16,020 --> 01:54:12,700
might say he had another excuse for not

2616
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:16,030
finding the big-footed Beast no no no I

2617
01:54:19,860 --> 01:54:18,730
definitely agree I pointed that out a

2618
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:19,870
long time ago

2619
01:54:25,770 --> 01:54:23,110
that I think that the higher abilities

2620
01:54:29,040 --> 01:54:25,780
that some of these animals have to hear

2621
01:54:31,680 --> 01:54:29,050
certain you know outside of our range to

2622
01:54:34,980 --> 01:54:31,690
smell certain metals and oils that

2623
01:54:36,959 --> 01:54:34,990
humans use coyotes are very smart you

2624
01:54:38,959 --> 01:54:36,969
know they're good canine and

2625
01:54:41,819 --> 01:54:38,969
there's no telling what kind of

2626
01:54:45,180 --> 01:54:41,829
abilities that Bigfoot and other animals

2627
01:54:47,879 --> 01:54:45,190
have to trail cams probably smell they

2628
01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:47,889
probably quiz they probably make noises

2629
01:54:52,770 --> 01:54:50,380
and we act like we can just put them out

2630
01:54:54,930 --> 01:54:52,780
there and everybody every animal in the

2631
01:54:56,759 --> 01:54:54,940
woods is going to come by them guard

2632
01:54:59,700 --> 01:54:56,769
away if they want to have all that

2633
01:55:02,189 --> 01:54:59,710
screen presence because they are big ego

2634
01:55:04,290 --> 01:55:02,199
maniacs they want their 15 minutes of

2635
01:55:06,270 --> 01:55:04,300
fame and they're gonna go out there and

2636
01:55:07,770 --> 01:55:06,280
they're gonna wave hey look at us look

2637
01:55:10,379 --> 01:55:07,780
at the Earthlings reminds me of the

2638
01:55:13,020 --> 01:55:10,389
crazy scene from independent state where

2639
01:55:14,939 --> 01:55:13,030
of course Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith

2640
01:55:17,549 --> 01:55:14,949
stand up in the spaceships of the alien

2641
01:55:19,770 --> 01:55:17,559
can see us look at the Earthlings look

2642
01:55:21,359 --> 01:55:19,780
at that look at this we're talking to

2643
01:55:24,120 --> 01:55:21,369
Loren Coleman the place is called the

2644
01:55:25,770 --> 01:55:24,130
International cryptozoological Museum

2645
01:55:28,550 --> 01:55:25,780
you're with gene and Chris because

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01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:35,899
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Loren Coleman on the para cast answering

2750
02:00:19,340 --> 02:00:17,370
your questions and we're talking about

2751
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whether these creatures won fifteen

2752
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minutes of fame and they just want to be

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left alone and you know what happens to

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other humans so when they disappear it's

2756
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not mmm

2757
02:00:36,950 --> 02:00:33,420
the creatures right Bigfoot is working

2758
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on his Emily photo album right well

2759
02:00:40,730 --> 02:00:38,460
here's some questions of digital

2760
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:40,740
trickster and first of all he says he's

2761
02:00:45,950 --> 02:00:43,290
so glad that you are back on the show

2762
02:00:48,320 --> 02:00:45,960
he's waiting a long time to listen to

2763
02:00:51,260 --> 02:00:48,330
you here have you heard of any possible

2764
02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:51,270
dinosaur sightings lately we did cover

2765
02:00:55,100 --> 02:00:53,130
this with a with JC Johnson who was a

2766
02:00:57,770 --> 02:00:55,110
guest here a number of weeks back and

2767
02:01:01,490 --> 02:00:57,780
that's part one part two is what is your

2768
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:01,500
opinion of the mokey Li mo mo ben b i am

2769
02:01:07,910 --> 02:01:03,570
not sure how to say that side it luckily

2770
02:01:08,850 --> 02:01:07,920
woulda been a yell bang well once in the

2771
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:08,860
Lion King

2772
02:01:13,310 --> 02:01:10,490
[Laughter]

2773
02:01:17,060 --> 02:01:13,320
I could hear James Earl Jones saying

2774
02:01:19,010 --> 02:01:17,070
this variable but I'm yes father know

2775
02:01:22,010 --> 02:01:19,020
you guys getting late in the show you

2776
02:01:24,740 --> 02:01:22,020
falling apart there on me that's okay

2777
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:24,750
having fun mokey Lima Bembe dinosaurs

2778
02:01:29,390 --> 02:01:26,970
once again the perspective the

2779
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:29,400
perspective if you're a creationist if

2780
02:01:34,220 --> 02:01:31,770
you think that there's dinosaurs in

2781
02:01:36,320 --> 02:01:34,230
Africa then every time there's a report

2782
02:01:38,660 --> 02:01:36,330
of a large animal in central Africa

2783
02:01:41,810 --> 02:01:38,670
sometimes in Central America

2784
02:01:44,720 --> 02:01:41,820
sometimes pterodactyls in the United

2785
02:01:47,750 --> 02:01:44,730
States you feel that it's evidence of

2786
02:01:50,240 --> 02:01:47,760
dinosaurs I tend to try to get away from

2787
02:01:52,940 --> 02:01:50,250
the religious perspective

2788
02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:52,950
entirely and look at what people are

2789
02:01:57,470 --> 02:01:55,050
saying they're seeing what they're

2790
02:02:01,670 --> 02:01:57,480
saying they're seeing is a large animal

2791
02:02:04,370 --> 02:02:01,680
in the jungle that they actually not be

2792
02:02:07,070 --> 02:02:04,380
a dinosaur but be something like an

2793
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:07,080
aquatic rhino and so you know the

2794
02:02:12,170 --> 02:02:09,690
skeptics always use Occam's razor and

2795
02:02:15,260 --> 02:02:12,180
they talk about and usually to them that

2796
02:02:17,780 --> 02:02:15,270
means it doesn't exist but the real

2797
02:02:20,570 --> 02:02:17,790
concept is about you look at the most

2798
02:02:22,730 --> 02:02:20,580
logical mundane explanation

2799
02:02:26,240 --> 02:02:22,740
you don't go to dinosaurs being the

2800
02:02:28,970 --> 02:02:26,250
final solution you look at maybe there's

2801
02:02:31,430 --> 02:02:28,980
some other kind of bammel that's only

2802
02:02:33,980 --> 02:02:31,440
been around and easier to explain as a

2803
02:02:37,100 --> 02:02:33,990
possibility and I think that there's

2804
02:02:40,160 --> 02:02:37,110
probably an aquatic race of forest

2805
02:02:42,590 --> 02:02:40,170
rhinos that hasn't been caught yet and

2806
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:42,600
that's what mochi glioma Bembe and a lot

2807
02:02:47,210 --> 02:02:44,850
of these creatures may turn out to be

2808
02:02:49,390 --> 02:02:47,220
I've got the river the river dinos

2809
02:02:52,970 --> 02:02:49,400
around Lake Powell the San Juan River

2810
02:02:54,800 --> 02:02:52,980
that area of southern Utah where over

2811
02:02:57,260 --> 02:02:54,810
the years there's been a quite a number

2812
02:02:58,940 --> 02:02:57,270
of fairly locally fairly celebrated

2813
02:03:02,150 --> 02:02:58,950
reports that people seem small three to

2814
02:03:04,130 --> 02:03:02,160
four foot tall bipedal dinosaurs running

2815
02:03:07,070 --> 02:03:04,140
around even impacts I have you done any

2816
02:03:08,900 --> 02:03:07,080
sort of research into that hole yeah

2817
02:03:10,160 --> 02:03:08,910
I've heard about that and it almost

2818
02:03:11,960 --> 02:03:10,170
feels like there are little

2819
02:03:12,350 --> 02:03:11,970
velociraptors and different things like

2820
02:03:15,590 --> 02:03:12,360
that

2821
02:03:17,690 --> 02:03:15,600
once again it's eyewitness reports on I

2822
02:03:20,180 --> 02:03:17,700
mean I'm open minded to hearing more

2823
02:03:22,610 --> 02:03:20,190
about it it's just once again it's

2824
02:03:24,460 --> 02:03:22,620
sightings and I mean it maybe it's some

2825
02:03:26,630 --> 02:03:24,470
kind of birds maybe it's some kind of

2826
02:03:30,110 --> 02:03:26,640
reptiles that really have hung around

2827
02:03:32,450 --> 02:03:30,120
I'm not sure I'd like to hear more and

2828
02:03:34,730 --> 02:03:32,460
I'd like to see some photographs just

2829
02:03:36,830 --> 02:03:34,740
had to report some Canyonlands last

2830
02:03:39,410 --> 02:03:36,840
month two separate witnesses came

2831
02:03:41,060 --> 02:03:39,420
forward and talked about this and there

2832
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:41,070
have been a number of these sightings

2833
02:03:45,620 --> 02:03:42,960
over the years on the northern side of

2834
02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:45,630
Lake Powell they are also called become

2835
02:03:50,060 --> 02:03:47,520
the river dinos who I think in the area

2836
02:03:52,730 --> 02:03:50,070
they're well moving along here like cows

2837
02:03:54,650 --> 02:03:52,740
lake pounds also interesting too because

2838
02:03:58,460 --> 02:03:54,660
you have the giant beaver reports from

2839
02:04:01,010 --> 02:03:58,470
there too right and all thanks to from

2840
02:04:04,189 --> 02:04:01,020
from the San Juan Basin area

2841
02:04:07,339 --> 02:04:04,199
JC Johnson kind of titillated our audio

2842
02:04:09,020 --> 02:04:07,349
with a couple of well one one case where

2843
02:04:11,180 --> 02:04:09,030
he in is one of his River guides

2844
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:11,190
actually experienced a huge coil of a

2845
02:04:15,109 --> 02:04:13,530
snake came up and they estimated it was

2846
02:04:16,609 --> 02:04:15,119
eighteen inches in diameter which is

2847
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:16,619
kind of hard to believe in that cold

2848
02:04:20,839 --> 02:04:18,690
water but well we've got another

2849
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:20,849
interesting area that's for sure and I

2850
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:23,610
really yeah more researchers bring you

2851
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:26,249
stuff out of there yeah it's a real it's

2852
02:04:30,859 --> 02:04:28,050
a real interesting remote area of the

2853
02:04:32,600 --> 02:04:30,869
country that is it's not that well

2854
02:04:35,239 --> 02:04:32,610
explored there's lots of areas that are

2855
02:04:37,850 --> 02:04:35,249
20 30 miles from yours tea trail even

2856
02:04:39,469 --> 02:04:37,860
here's one what cryptids do you believe

2857
02:04:41,629 --> 02:04:39,479
have the best chance of being found it

2858
02:04:44,299 --> 02:04:41,639
sounds like you've kind of answered that

2859
02:04:47,419 --> 02:04:44,309
you think possibly Bigfoot would be we

2860
02:04:49,459 --> 02:04:47,429
are most likely candidate for the best

2861
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:49,469
no actually actually I think one of the

2862
02:04:54,140 --> 02:04:52,170
best bets is a the rang Ben pen deck

2863
02:04:57,049 --> 02:04:54,150
which is this little three and a half

2864
02:04:58,930 --> 02:04:57,059
foot four foot tall creature in Sumatra

2865
02:05:01,609 --> 02:04:58,940
Indonesia I actually think that

2866
02:05:04,489 --> 02:05:01,619
Bigfoot's going to take a little longer

2867
02:05:07,219 --> 02:05:04,499
maybe another twenty five forty years

2868
02:05:08,810 --> 02:05:07,229
but I think a rang pin deck that will be

2869
02:05:11,330 --> 02:05:08,820
the big surprise I think they've already

2870
02:05:13,609 --> 02:05:11,340
seen it they found footprints it's in a

2871
02:05:15,560 --> 02:05:13,619
concentrated little area they're going

2872
02:05:18,319 --> 02:05:15,570
to get closer and closer and actually

2873
02:05:20,060 --> 02:05:18,329
find physical evidence of this I know

2874
02:05:23,120 --> 02:05:20,070
that there's a lot of mutterings about

2875
02:05:25,459 --> 02:05:23,130
DNA with Bigfoot but I'm not sure that

2876
02:05:28,699 --> 02:05:25,469
that's really going to come to any few

2877
02:05:30,799 --> 02:05:28,709
tick you know future excitement the way

2878
02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:30,809
we're going to get more discoveries out

2879
02:05:33,290 --> 02:05:32,610
of Asia that it's going to really blow

2880
02:05:35,989 --> 02:05:33,300
people away

2881
02:05:37,580 --> 02:05:35,999
well his second part of his question is

2882
02:05:39,290 --> 02:05:37,590
what which cryptic view which would

2883
02:05:41,330 --> 02:05:39,300
prove to be real but will probably never

2884
02:05:44,479 --> 02:05:41,340
be found or have significant evidence to

2885
02:05:46,430 --> 02:05:44,489
prove its existence which one you that's

2886
02:05:52,910 --> 02:05:46,440
a question like how many times today do

2887
02:05:55,100 --> 02:05:52,920
I beat my wife it's you know what kind

2888
02:05:58,160 --> 02:05:55,110
of creature will never be found but I'm

2889
02:06:02,689 --> 02:05:58,170
really interested in no no no no I'm not

2890
02:06:05,149 --> 02:06:02,699
going to get uglier no I always have

2891
02:06:06,890 --> 02:06:05,159
it's all about accepting or denying the

2892
02:06:09,080 --> 02:06:06,900
evidence so I keep looking at the

2893
02:06:11,390 --> 02:06:09,090
evidence and some of it I deny some of

2894
02:06:14,209 --> 02:06:11,400
it doesn't work out but some of it is

2895
02:06:14,859 --> 02:06:14,219
always a kernel of possibilities in that

2896
02:06:17,839 --> 02:06:14,869
so

2897
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:17,849
obviously I do not spend my time looking

2898
02:06:24,979 --> 02:06:22,650
for unicorns and you know fairies and

2899
02:06:27,169 --> 02:06:24,989
and different things like that where all

2900
02:06:29,870 --> 02:06:27,179
of those creatures inhabit world of

2901
02:06:32,089 --> 02:06:29,880
warcraft but you know for the rest of it

2902
02:06:33,680 --> 02:06:32,099
I think there's always a possibility

2903
02:06:35,359 --> 02:06:33,690
there could be new species out there

2904
02:06:38,240 --> 02:06:35,369
yeah well there's new species are

2905
02:06:40,280 --> 02:06:38,250
discovered every every month amazing

2906
02:06:42,709 --> 02:06:40,290
especially it's amazing how many

2907
02:06:44,899 --> 02:06:42,719
creatures are still and in the Amazon

2908
02:06:47,060 --> 02:06:44,909
basin I'm sure they're just countless

2909
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:47,070
speedy and New Guinea and Indonesia and

2910
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:49,050
I mean that's what cryptozoology is

2911
02:06:54,979 --> 02:06:51,540
we're out here to find new species not

2912
02:06:57,020 --> 02:06:54,989
to prove Bigfoot or to prove the Yeti or

2913
02:06:59,240 --> 02:06:57,030
Loch Ness monster exists it's really

2914
02:07:01,490 --> 02:06:59,250
about new species and people get it

2915
02:07:03,439 --> 02:07:01,500
confused and they think we're only you

2916
02:07:05,419 --> 02:07:03,449
know only interested in Bigfoot but it's

2917
02:07:07,459 --> 02:07:05,429
amazing when they come into this museum

2918
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:07,469
and see all of the you know animals that

2919
02:07:12,890 --> 02:07:10,170
have been discovered that used to be

2920
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,900
unknown cryptids you know the polar bear

2921
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:15,119
the Komodo dragon that the megamouth

2922
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:16,560
shark the coelacanth

2923
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:18,239
all of these creatures that are new and

2924
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:21,210
exciting and quite large ok here's one

2925
02:07:27,319 --> 02:07:23,520
from Palamon Lauren have you ever had a

2926
02:07:29,450 --> 02:07:27,329
rock thrown at you by sasquatch no no I

2927
02:07:32,030 --> 02:07:29,460
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good old Finn Freeman who's never seen a

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Stanton Friedman you are listening to

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the parrot case the gold standard a

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paranormal radio are we real are we

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Memorex with gene and Chris you're in

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the power cast and we're having a great

3057
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time answering your questions released

3058
02:13:01,439 --> 02:12:59,559
letting Loren Coleman doing the heavy

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lifting we just sit back and listen when

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you get people like Lauren who's been

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there done that two or three times you

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know that's where you go yeah I remember

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when I was helping Sony Screen Gems with

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Mothman Prophecies I actually did 400

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radio interviews in three months that

3066
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was hard lifting interviews than John

3067
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keel well John keel was sick and so John

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keel did a couple visuals you know

3069
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documentaries but they said Loren

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Coleman could you come on board and be

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our publicity guy and tell everybody

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that the Mothman movie is based on

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reality and I feel okay let's do this

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let's make this beyond and we did it and

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I wrote a book and made appearances and

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did a news conference in Hollywood and

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they flew my boys out too and we got to

3078
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see the x-men being filmed and different

3079
02:14:00,449 --> 02:13:57,820
things like that it was quite a trip it

3080
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was those were the days when actually

3081
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before depression that's right well you

3082
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mentioned Walkman where do you come down

3083
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to Marvin Montana I think it's a large

3084
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unknown al I think that John keel made

3085
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made it into a much more demonology came

3086
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into being

3087
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I interviewed Linda Scarberry for

3088
02:14:25,979 --> 02:14:23,440
instance and and she was very specific

3089
02:14:28,770 --> 02:14:25,989
this is a woman who was one of the first

3090
02:14:31,020 --> 02:14:28,780
eyewitnesses after that she said John

3091
02:14:34,169 --> 02:14:31,030
keel came into her house she said when

3092
02:14:37,560 --> 02:14:34,179
John keel left he had her so scared she

3093
02:14:40,649 --> 02:14:37,570
put across on every wall in her house

3094
02:14:42,689 --> 02:14:40,659
but she went keep them out from coming

3095
02:14:45,449 --> 02:14:42,699
back her yeah yeah she keeps the Mothman

3096
02:14:47,250 --> 02:14:45,459
and well you know what John I felt that

3097
02:14:50,100 --> 02:14:47,260
way about John keel sometimes

3098
02:14:53,280 --> 02:14:50,110
yeah oh yeah yeah well he was a scary

3099
02:14:55,500 --> 02:14:53,290
crusty man with a sense of humor but so

3100
02:14:59,220 --> 02:14:55,510
you know Linda Scarberry she recently

3101
02:15:01,110 --> 02:14:59,230
died at a relatively young age and she

3102
02:15:03,930 --> 02:15:01,120
went in and out of mental hospitals for

3103
02:15:07,050 --> 02:15:03,940
most of her life before John keel came

3104
02:15:09,900 --> 02:15:07,060
into that situation he went down there

3105
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:09,910
to look look into stories of winged cats

3106
02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:12,490
you know a 40 in phenomena there were

3107
02:15:17,460 --> 02:15:15,280
reports of farm cats that have wings on

3108
02:15:20,430 --> 02:15:17,470
him and he fell into the Mothman story

3109
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:20,440
and he put it together in his books with

3110
02:15:26,910 --> 02:15:24,010
the psychics that were showing up in

3111
02:15:29,010 --> 02:15:26,920
mystic mountain around New York and he

3112
02:15:32,100 --> 02:15:29,020
mixed them all together and it became a

3113
02:15:35,340 --> 02:15:32,110
semi fictionalized story - had men and

3114
02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:35,350
black UFOs all kinds of things but John

3115
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knew very early on and he would tell me

3116
02:15:42,690 --> 02:15:39,640
this he said you know I knew it was just

3117
02:15:45,630 --> 02:15:42,700
a big bird some kind of big unknown bird

3118
02:15:47,310 --> 02:15:45,640
and Ivan Sanderson and I were talking

3119
02:15:49,110 --> 02:15:47,320
all the time on the phone about what it

3120
02:15:50,940 --> 02:15:49,120
could be and I talked to those

3121
02:15:54,270 --> 02:15:50,950
eyewitnesses at myself

3122
02:16:00,120 --> 02:15:54,280
the original eyewitnesses every one of

3123
02:16:05,790 --> 02:16:00,130
them in 1966 described a large a light

3124
02:16:08,580 --> 02:16:05,800
creature no ham no legs no arms no head

3125
02:16:10,860 --> 02:16:08,590
all of that came later you know 20 years

3126
02:16:13,220 --> 02:16:10,870
later after that the documentary film

3127
02:16:16,590 --> 02:16:13,230
companies kept coming through there I

3128
02:16:19,530 --> 02:16:16,600
helped Sony Screen Gems actually edit

3129
02:16:22,170 --> 02:16:19,540
out one woman that they had on tape who

3130
02:16:26,340 --> 02:16:22,180
was saying oh yeah when I saw it it had

3131
02:16:28,710 --> 02:16:26,350
a big forked tail like the devil and I

3132
02:16:32,460 --> 02:16:28,720
said you got to take her out of there

3133
02:16:35,370 --> 02:16:32,470
she's insane nobody ever said they saw

3134
02:16:37,530 --> 02:16:35,380
anything like that and what happened of

3135
02:16:41,850 --> 02:16:37,540
course is that we know that a copy

3136
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:41,860
editor in an Ohio a newspaper did not

3137
02:16:46,530 --> 02:16:44,410
like the name Big Bird which was what

3138
02:16:48,540 --> 02:16:46,540
was coming about and he said oh I've got

3139
02:16:51,780 --> 02:16:48,550
a better name for the headlines he was a

3140
02:16:54,540 --> 02:16:51,790
fan of the Batman series on TV so he

3141
02:16:57,300 --> 02:16:54,550
came up with the name Mothman none of

3142
02:17:00,900 --> 02:16:57,310
the eyewitnesses ever saw anything like

3143
02:17:03,870 --> 02:17:00,910
a moth or a man it was always Big Bird

3144
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:03,880
Big Bird and Along Came Mothman in the

3145
02:17:09,810 --> 02:17:07,120
Ohio newspaper and it caught on the

3146
02:17:12,480 --> 02:17:09,820
media madness began and everybody

3147
02:17:14,880 --> 02:17:12,490
started calling up Mothman and so if you

3148
02:17:18,480 --> 02:17:14,890
go to Point Pleasant you see the statue

3149
02:17:21,330 --> 02:17:18,490
there it's of a big insect in there Town

3150
02:17:23,370 --> 02:17:21,340
Square absolutely looks nothing like

3151
02:17:25,680 --> 02:17:23,380
what the eyewitnesses said the creature

3152
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:25,690
look like they said it looked like a big

3153
02:17:31,169 --> 02:17:28,240
bird with feathers on it in which the

3154
02:17:33,570 --> 02:17:31,179
eyes were in the chest and just to get

3155
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:33,580
back to one of your earlier questions

3156
02:17:39,959 --> 02:17:37,210
nobody ever said it had glowing eyes all

3157
02:17:42,570 --> 02:17:39,969
of the eyewitnesses said they were in

3158
02:17:45,810 --> 02:17:42,580
their cars the light would catch this

3159
02:17:49,709 --> 02:17:45,820
bird and that would reflect back just

3160
02:17:51,660 --> 02:17:49,719
like those round reflectors that you put

3161
02:17:53,970 --> 02:17:51,670
at the end of your driveway and that's

3162
02:17:56,430 --> 02:17:53,980
the way they described it years later

3163
02:17:58,800 --> 02:17:56,440
people would say they were these were

3164
02:18:01,890 --> 02:17:58,810
glowing red eyes and all of that stuff

3165
02:18:04,500 --> 02:18:01,900
not at all factual yeah kind of wonder

3166
02:18:06,540 --> 02:18:04,510
in retrospect if that might have

3167
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:06,550
happened with Roswell that when the

3168
02:18:11,520 --> 02:18:09,280
memories came back what 30 years after

3169
02:18:13,320 --> 02:18:11,530
the original event suddenly more things

3170
02:18:16,290 --> 02:18:13,330
happen that may have originally occurred

3171
02:18:18,900 --> 02:18:16,300
exactly I mean I don't know I'm not

3172
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:18,910
studied as deeply as I am about Roswell

3173
02:18:24,120 --> 02:18:22,240
with the Mothman but certainly I you

3174
02:18:25,980 --> 02:18:24,130
know I have actually practiced

3175
02:18:28,890 --> 02:18:25,990
psychiatric social work and I know

3176
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:28,900
recovered memories can be very elaborate

3177
02:18:33,930 --> 02:18:30,850
there certainly there's a kernel of

3178
02:18:37,650 --> 02:18:33,940
truth there we all know that and we also

3179
02:18:39,600 --> 02:18:37,660
should not disregard abuse victims and

3180
02:18:42,030 --> 02:18:39,610
trauma victims and all of that but if

3181
02:18:44,820 --> 02:18:42,040
you look at the Roswell situation the

3182
02:18:47,580 --> 02:18:44,830
Mothman situation the flatwoods monster

3183
02:18:49,680 --> 02:18:47,590
all of those were traumatic events that

3184
02:18:52,860 --> 02:18:49,690
people would remember in different ways

3185
02:18:55,140 --> 02:18:52,870
based upon their own experience and it

3186
02:18:56,750 --> 02:18:55,150
would get more and more elaborate and

3187
02:19:00,270 --> 02:18:56,760
what happened with Linda Scarberry

3188
02:19:02,970 --> 02:19:00,280
already a very kind of delicate

3189
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:02,980
personality let's say that golden

3190
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personality the camera crew comes in she

3191
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starts changing their story to fit their

3192
02:19:14,709 --> 02:19:10,840
questions yes it had legs yes it had

3193
02:19:17,169 --> 02:19:14,719
arms yes I had glowing eyes she never

3194
02:19:19,870 --> 02:19:17,179
about that in the original time when she

3195
02:19:22,660 --> 02:19:19,880
was talking and being interviewed it all

3196
02:19:24,969 --> 02:19:22,670
came out later she talked about no legs

3197
02:19:27,820 --> 02:19:24,979
she drew drew pictures back then that

3198
02:19:30,969 --> 02:19:27,830
shows the Mosman the way that we know it

3199
02:19:34,089 --> 02:19:30,979
was which was a like a giant owl with

3200
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eyes in its chest with if you look in

3201
02:19:38,589 --> 02:19:36,739
that owl the eyes will look like it's a

3202
02:19:40,540 --> 02:19:38,599
finished chest because the way the ears

3203
02:19:44,080 --> 02:19:40,550
go up they look like the part of the

3204
02:19:47,259 --> 02:19:44,090
shoulders but a gigantic ow over and

3205
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:47,269
over again six feet tall this bird was

3206
02:19:53,440 --> 02:19:50,000
described as by people you know police

3207
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officers housewives mechanics truck

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02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:56,120
drivers all kinds of people that we're

3209
02:20:00,700 --> 02:19:57,770
really describing something that was

3210
02:20:02,469 --> 02:20:00,710
human chefs three times larger than the

3211
02:20:03,969 --> 02:20:02,479
largest known talents be I mean what

3212
02:20:06,460 --> 02:20:03,979
could that Abedin are we talking about

3213
02:20:08,860 --> 02:20:06,470
some forty other paranormal there are

3214
02:20:12,130 --> 02:20:08,870
there are large house there's house in

3215
02:20:14,920 --> 02:20:12,140
the fossil record that are four feet

3216
02:20:17,260 --> 02:20:14,930
tall and they were found in Cuba and

3217
02:20:19,330 --> 02:20:17,270
certainly you know a lot of the

3218
02:20:22,510 --> 02:20:19,340
Thunderbird stories are the same ball of

3219
02:20:25,780 --> 02:20:22,520
wax I mean just because we don't have

3220
02:20:27,250 --> 02:20:25,790
them in in museums or zoos we do have

3221
02:20:30,010 --> 02:20:27,260
them in the museum's they're called tear

3222
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:30,020
tear torrents we have them in the La

3223
02:20:36,340 --> 02:20:32,630
Brea Tar Pits they're gigantic

3224
02:20:38,679 --> 02:20:36,350
Condor like birds that lived in North

3225
02:20:41,950 --> 02:20:38,689
America as recently as 6,000 years ago

3226
02:20:43,809 --> 02:20:41,960
and people who think that some of these

3227
02:20:46,870 --> 02:20:43,819
are still surviving in the mountains of

3228
02:20:49,059 --> 02:20:46,880
the West or Appalachia you know we don't

3229
02:20:51,700 --> 02:20:49,069
know if Mothman to Thunderbird or giant

3230
02:20:54,280 --> 02:20:51,710
al but it's a lot of overlap in that

3231
02:20:56,769 --> 02:20:54,290
same area there that with these giant

3232
02:20:59,650 --> 02:20:56,779
bird-like creatures they couldn't very

3233
02:21:02,200 --> 02:20:59,660
well be real yes oh so you bring up

3234
02:21:05,979 --> 02:21:02,210
Thunderbirds boy I found in my research

3235
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:05,989
it's the only common sort of fantastic

3236
02:21:10,510 --> 02:21:07,810
crypto creature that's found in all

3237
02:21:13,090 --> 02:21:10,520
North American regional Native American

3238
02:21:15,849 --> 02:21:13,100
myths and legends where do you come down

3239
02:21:18,519 --> 02:21:15,859
on tardy Birds uh yeah are you familiar

3240
02:21:21,250 --> 02:21:18,529
with any reports or any physical

3241
02:21:24,940 --> 02:21:21,260
evidence I've seen on the internet that

3242
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:24,950
giant feather that's been featured in a

3243
02:21:29,650 --> 02:21:27,200
couple of recent articles

3244
02:21:33,970 --> 02:21:29,660
what what kind of information do we have

3245
02:21:37,750 --> 02:21:33,980
on the Thunderbird well I was I was the

3246
02:21:38,500 --> 02:21:37,760
primary researcher on the 1948 at Halton

3247
02:21:41,610 --> 02:21:38,510
Illinois

3248
02:21:43,900 --> 02:21:41,620
st. Louis reports and my brother Jerry

3249
02:21:48,131 --> 02:21:43,910
Coleman and myself were the first

3250
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researchers there for to interview the

3251
02:21:53,770 --> 02:21:50,271
Lawndale eyewitnesses where the boy was

3252
02:21:55,990 --> 02:21:53,780
picked up in 1977 in Illinois I think

3253
02:21:58,660 --> 02:21:56,000
all of those are credible sightings and

3254
02:22:01,600 --> 02:21:58,670
along with Mark Hall who wrote the bird

3255
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books under birds you have a migration

3256
02:22:07,210 --> 02:22:04,700
pattern in the West the Midwest and in

3257
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the East that where these birds are in

3258
02:22:12,040 --> 02:22:10,431
April they're going north I'll tell you

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what we're gonna find out where the

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Thunderbirds are going in other seasons

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two about the para cast which I believe

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is the gold standard the paranormal

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radio listen to it if you can so with

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Jean and Chris we're talking to Loren

3371
02:27:08,750 --> 02:27:06,300
Coleman and we're talking about the

3372
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migration habits of Thunderbirds is that

3373
02:27:14,330 --> 02:27:11,100
it that's it they seem to really migrate

3374
02:27:17,389 --> 02:27:14,340
in a bird-like manner going north in the

3375
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Ozarks up to the Minnesota and Canadian

3376
02:27:22,910 --> 02:27:20,460
area and April and coming south in the

3377
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fall and you can see this in the West

3378
02:27:28,010 --> 02:27:24,810
you can see it in those arcs you can see

3379
02:27:30,590 --> 02:27:28,020
it in a Palacios so I'm not surprised in

3380
02:27:33,590 --> 02:27:30,600
various native Canadians and Native

3381
02:27:36,410 --> 02:27:33,600
Americans and Inuit sand Eskimos have

3382
02:27:38,899 --> 02:27:36,420
tales of giant birds because they're

3383
02:27:40,700 --> 02:27:38,909
certainly they're one of the few

3384
02:27:43,880 --> 02:27:40,710
creatures that can move around you can

3385
02:27:45,649 --> 02:27:43,890
have a very small population and a great

3386
02:27:48,410 --> 02:27:45,659
many people can see them because they

3387
02:27:50,540 --> 02:27:48,420
can actually fly around I mean you don't

3388
02:27:54,139 --> 02:27:50,550
have hardly any whooping cranes in this

3389
02:27:55,729 --> 02:27:54,149
country yet people see them in all

3390
02:27:58,729 --> 02:27:55,739
different parts of the country you know

3391
02:28:01,250 --> 02:27:58,739
from Canada to Texas it's a small little

3392
02:28:04,010 --> 02:28:01,260
group but they're very easy to see what

3393
02:28:07,340 --> 02:28:04,020
about the more dinosauria type sightings

3394
02:28:11,719 --> 02:28:07,350
like from West Texas and and I think a

3395
02:28:14,269 --> 02:28:11,729
great great Bend I know you'll think

3396
02:28:16,849 --> 02:28:14,279
it's a broken record but once again I

3397
02:28:19,670 --> 02:28:16,859
come down on the side of the mammals

3398
02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:19,680
versions the reptiles here the reports

3399
02:28:23,660 --> 02:28:21,449
that I've investigated from along the

3400
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:23,670
Rio Grande they often talk about

3401
02:28:29,179 --> 02:28:26,970
leathery skin and you know then they

3402
02:28:31,670 --> 02:28:29,189
quickly go to pterodactyls is we've got

3403
02:28:34,070 --> 02:28:31,680
to be a pterodactyl well as I've pointed

3404
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:34,080
out many times there's bats there's

3405
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giant bats

3406
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there's fruit bats there's all kinds of

3407
02:28:41,420 --> 02:28:39,750
unknown bats they're being reported that

3408
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when you look at them from a distance

3409
02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:44,489
they look like a pterodactyl you know

3410
02:28:48,139 --> 02:28:45,930
people don't notice their head they

3411
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notice the wings you notice the sharp

3412
02:28:51,830 --> 02:28:51,270
angles I also investigated reports of

3413
02:28:54,830 --> 02:28:51,840
tear attack

3414
02:28:58,340 --> 02:28:54,840
of them you Yucatan Mexico and those

3415
02:29:02,420 --> 02:28:58,350
turned out to be albatross at a very

3416
02:29:05,210 --> 02:29:02,430
high altitude misidentification as well

3417
02:29:07,580 --> 02:29:05,220
as a possible miss identification around

3418
02:29:10,070 --> 02:29:07,590
about way of another cryptid I think

3419
02:29:12,980 --> 02:29:10,080
there are giant cryptid bats they're

3420
02:29:14,240 --> 02:29:12,990
being mistaken for pterodactyls that's

3421
02:29:16,610 --> 02:29:14,250
interesting I've never heard that theory

3422
02:29:19,639 --> 02:29:16,620
before there makes sense plus you know

3423
02:29:22,010 --> 02:29:19,649
it's it's difficult to judge size versus

3424
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distance when you're looking up into the

3425
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sky oftentimes something that's fairly

3426
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close to you can seem in appear to be

3427
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further away and of course that would

3428
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then lend you know the size larger in

3429
02:29:36,020 --> 02:29:34,020
the eyes of a witness who startled and

3430
02:29:37,969 --> 02:29:36,030
it seen something they're not expecting

3431
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to see so that would make that would

3432
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make sense to me

3433
02:29:45,800 --> 02:29:42,649
good good point that you bring up yeah

3434
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no you guys coming up to Maine to the

3435
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International cryptozoology Museum soon

3436
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I would love to I'm real excited about

3437
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it I don't make it up to New England as

3438
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often as I'd like I did live in the

3439
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Boston area in Cambridge for a couple of

3440
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years and and it'd be fun to get up

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there and uh and get to Portland and in

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finally get a chance to meet you we've

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we've actually never met and I'd I'd

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really welcome that opportunity and and

3445
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it would be a lot of fun for me to go to

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do your Museum and pick your brain a

3447
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little bit this is really been like fun

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for me and it's uh it's really a

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pleasure having you on the show Lord

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I'll tell you what before we go are

3451
02:30:23,690 --> 02:30:20,580
there any more questions I think we've

3452
02:30:25,940 --> 02:30:23,700
pretty much done them all there are some

3453
02:30:28,910 --> 02:30:25,950
but it would just be going over old

3454
02:30:31,429 --> 02:30:28,920
ground okay so we know where you are and

3455
02:30:33,790 --> 02:30:31,439
what you're doing Lauren but in terms of

3456
02:30:37,370 --> 02:30:33,800
actually doing the kind of research that

3457
02:30:40,010 --> 02:30:37,380
needs to be done what are your feelings

3458
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:40,020
now kind of research that needs to be

3459
02:30:45,020 --> 02:30:42,090
done let's take Bigfoot for instance we

3460
02:30:47,690 --> 02:30:45,030
need to put a woman in the woods for six

3461
02:30:49,700 --> 02:30:47,700
months it needs to be funded you need to

3462
02:30:52,099 --> 02:30:49,710
have her in a safe place maybe with two

3463
02:30:54,740 --> 02:30:52,109
or three other women and that's the way

3464
02:30:57,620 --> 02:30:54,750
when that's how Bigfoot is going to come

3465
02:31:00,560 --> 02:30:57,630
to a woman men put off pheromones that

3466
02:31:03,980 --> 02:31:00,570
scare them away we need to fund a woman

3467
02:31:05,631 --> 02:31:03,990
out in the woods so basically men are

3468
02:31:09,440 --> 02:31:05,641
threats to Bigfoot

3469
02:31:12,680 --> 02:31:09,450
the this it's either a pheromone or some

3470
02:31:15,140 --> 02:31:12,690
thing that men do that really we're not

3471
02:31:17,751 --> 02:31:15,150
getting Bigfoot coming to any of those

3472
02:31:21,470 --> 02:31:17,761
sites where they're planning themselves

3473
02:31:22,490 --> 02:31:21,480
we're finding men can't basically wear

3474
02:31:24,501 --> 02:31:22,500
cologne or something

3475
02:31:26,331 --> 02:31:24,511
well we're shell number five or

3476
02:31:28,581 --> 02:31:26,341
something like there why you don't want

3477
02:31:31,360 --> 02:31:28,591
women wearing perfume in the woods but

3478
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:31,370
the jane goodall's and the Dian Fossey

3479
02:31:38,990 --> 02:31:34,650
you know mottos are there for Bigfoot

3480
02:31:40,640 --> 02:31:39,000
too people just need to follow them yeah

3481
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:40,650
that makes sense to me

3482
02:31:45,770 --> 02:31:43,290
we've also of course had reports a

3483
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:45,780
Bigfoot being attracted to women on

3484
02:31:50,270 --> 02:31:48,690
their menstrual cycle true but in my

3485
02:31:54,140 --> 02:31:50,280
book the Bigfoot the true story of apes

3486
02:31:56,060 --> 02:31:54,150
in America I overthrow the myth the big

3487
02:32:00,560 --> 02:31:56,070
that are out there kidnapping Native

3488
02:32:03,890 --> 02:32:00,570
women Bigfoot actually hi Jackson

3489
02:32:07,100 --> 02:32:03,900
kidnaps men more often than women I

3490
02:32:08,961 --> 02:32:07,110
think it'll all go back they're bringing

3491
02:32:11,751 --> 02:32:08,971
back for breeding because they know the

3492
02:32:14,261 --> 02:32:11,761
gene pool is short so they're always

3493
02:32:16,581 --> 02:32:14,271
introduced to a young female Bigfoot

3494
02:32:19,341 --> 02:32:16,591
well that would be I had the date to

3495
02:32:23,511 --> 02:32:19,351
have to deal with Lou it would it would

3496
02:32:30,110 --> 02:32:23,521
you know that you can can overcome that

3497
02:32:31,820 --> 02:32:30,120
experience and about my type that's a

3498
02:32:33,650 --> 02:32:31,830
date I don't want to have he doesn't

3499
02:32:38,270 --> 02:32:33,660
matter she doesn't have to and that

3500
02:32:41,331 --> 02:32:38,280
freckles for me or something when

3501
02:32:42,711 --> 02:32:41,341
Bigfoot brings someone in there they

3502
02:32:45,261 --> 02:32:42,721
kidnap somebody they could never come

3503
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:45,271
back yep yep that's how we've heard

3504
02:32:51,860 --> 02:32:47,040
about the ones that I write about Albert

3505
02:32:54,160 --> 02:32:51,870
Osmond yeah yeah and you know there's

3506
02:32:57,620 --> 02:32:54,170
some of them where they talk about them

3507
02:33:01,240 --> 02:32:57,630
being not that husband one but a more

3508
02:33:04,280 --> 02:33:01,250
recent one where the guy had on a long

3509
02:33:06,140 --> 02:33:04,290
red underwear and he said the Bigfoot

3510
02:33:09,291 --> 02:33:06,150
kept pulling it down to where like it

3511
02:33:11,961 --> 02:33:09,301
was another skin or they pick him up in

3512
02:33:14,660 --> 02:33:11,971
sleeping bags where they pick them up in

3513
02:33:17,060 --> 02:33:14,670
a big fur coat it's almost as if the

3514
02:33:19,070 --> 02:33:17,070
Bigfoot are getting confused and thinks

3515
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:19,080
this outer covering is

3516
02:33:23,150 --> 02:33:20,970
kind of covering of another kind of

3517
02:33:25,460 --> 02:33:23,160
Bigfoot and I think that's what's

3518
02:33:28,280 --> 02:33:25,470
happening there they're trying to kidnap

3519
02:33:29,929 --> 02:33:28,290
these men for breeding purposes and they

3520
02:33:32,809 --> 02:33:29,939
don't know that they're men they think

3521
02:33:35,809 --> 02:33:32,819
they're another form of Bigfoot so

3522
02:33:38,809 --> 02:33:35,819
they're not very smart no I don't think

3523
02:33:41,410 --> 02:33:38,819
so no I don't think they're smart at all

3524
02:33:43,730 --> 02:33:41,420
I think Neanderthals are smarter

3525
02:33:46,070 --> 02:33:43,740
Neanderthal had culture they had fire

3526
02:33:47,960 --> 02:33:46,080
they had all kinds of things going on

3527
02:33:49,940 --> 02:33:47,970
for them and now they've even got

3528
02:33:52,670 --> 02:33:49,950
commercials but you know Bigfoot just

3529
02:33:54,530 --> 02:33:52,680
has the beef jerky commercial so well of

3530
02:33:57,290 --> 02:33:54,540
course you know obviously Neanderthals

3531
02:33:59,599 --> 02:33:57,300
have the Geico commercials they try to

3532
02:34:03,679 --> 02:33:59,609
do a TV show you know based on the

3533
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:03,689
caveman concept know where it lasted

3534
02:34:13,400 --> 02:34:07,770
like right yeah actually when to I think

3535
02:34:17,840 --> 02:34:13,410
North somewhere or Alaska all right but

3536
02:34:20,090 --> 02:34:17,850
no this is the remaining two or three

3537
02:34:24,740 --> 02:34:20,100
minutes we have left it's your time

3538
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:24,750
Loren Coleman give us your best pitch to

3539
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:27,120
have people go to visit the

3540
02:34:33,320 --> 02:34:29,520
International cryptozoology Museum

3541
02:34:35,870 --> 02:34:33,330
you're on actually you know I think that

3542
02:34:39,320 --> 02:34:35,880
all communities needed to be supported

3543
02:34:42,650 --> 02:34:39,330
for their cryptozoological Mothman Lake

3544
02:34:44,570 --> 02:34:42,660
Monster and Bigfoot museums there's no

3545
02:34:46,460 --> 02:34:44,580
reason that people in California

3546
02:34:48,950 --> 02:34:46,470
shouldn't be going to the Bigfoot

3547
02:34:51,559 --> 02:34:48,960
Discovery Museum there's no reason that

3548
02:34:54,110 --> 02:34:51,569
people visiting with West Virginia

3549
02:34:56,120 --> 02:34:54,120
shouldn't go to the Mothman museum if

3550
02:34:58,460 --> 02:34:56,130
you find yourself in the little corner

3551
02:35:01,639 --> 02:34:58,470
of the country would call New England or

3552
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:01,649
Red Sox Nation come up to Portland Maine

3553
02:35:08,030 --> 02:35:06,090
and go to the top ten well top 10

3554
02:35:10,820 --> 02:35:08,040
weirdest museums in the world we're on

3555
02:35:13,580 --> 02:35:10,830
all the lists and the cryptozoology

3556
02:35:16,639 --> 02:35:13,590
museum is like something you will have

3557
02:35:19,400 --> 02:35:16,649
never seen before it's the only quality

3558
02:35:22,040 --> 02:35:19,410
Museum in the world come and visit you

3559
02:35:25,910 --> 02:35:22,050
guys come for free okay but the others

3560
02:35:27,290 --> 02:35:25,920
you have to pay $7 for adults $5 for

3561
02:35:29,360 --> 02:35:27,300
kids it's not like you know going to

3562
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:29,370
Disney World where they want $400 for

3563
02:35:32,510 --> 02:35:30,960
everything right no it's very

3564
02:35:34,430 --> 02:35:32,520
inexpensive and

3565
02:35:35,719 --> 02:35:34,440
you know you stay as long as you want

3566
02:35:38,960 --> 02:35:35,729
you take as many pictures as you want

3567
02:35:40,969 --> 02:35:38,970
and you ask me as many questions as you

3568
02:35:43,070 --> 02:35:40,979
have time for that's an interesting

3569
02:35:45,770 --> 02:35:43,080
point here - do you sell souvenirs or

3570
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:45,780
something we have a local artist there's

3571
02:35:50,990 --> 02:35:49,110
a little Bigfoot items and I have some

3572
02:35:52,850 --> 02:35:51,000
of my books that I autograph for people

3573
02:35:55,490 --> 02:35:52,860
and we have t-shirts of course what else

3574
02:35:56,900 --> 02:35:55,500
can you ask for Chris so Brian tell our

3575
02:35:59,210 --> 02:35:56,910
listeners where they can find more of

3576
02:36:01,700 --> 02:35:59,220
the things that you do well I have a

3577
02:36:03,170 --> 02:36:01,710
website our strange planet calm it is a

3578
02:36:05,719 --> 02:36:03,180
strange planet and it's our strange

3579
02:36:08,690 --> 02:36:05,729
planet plus I'm a moderator at forum dr.

3580
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:08,700
Peric ask.com come join in the fun we

3581
02:36:12,890 --> 02:36:10,650
have a bunch of really up to speed folks

3582
02:36:14,870 --> 02:36:12,900
that post there and again Lauren thank

3583
02:36:16,610 --> 02:36:14,880
you so much for being on the show taking

3584
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:16,620
time out to speak with out you're very

3585
02:36:20,750 --> 02:36:18,930
popular at the pear cast and we're gonna

3586
02:36:23,270 --> 02:36:20,760
have a nice discussion on the forums

3587
02:36:25,310 --> 02:36:23,280
after the show there's well thank you

3588
02:36:27,500 --> 02:36:25,320
for inviting me I'm quite humbled to be

3589
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:27,510
here because I know you guys are quite

3590
02:36:33,020 --> 02:36:30,479
famous in the in the world of pear cast

3591
02:36:35,270 --> 02:36:33,030
so it's great to be here I should

3592
02:36:37,810 --> 02:36:35,280
mention that if people want to find out

3593
02:36:41,210 --> 02:36:37,820
when we're open go to cryptozoology

3594
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:41,220
Museum calm and that's our website that

3595
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:43,770
are nice Josef to put up and you get all

3596
02:36:54,610 --> 02:36:45,930
your information there on the museum

3597
02:37:01,040 --> 02:36:58,130
the para cast featuring Jean Steinberg

3598
02:37:04,030 --> 02:37:01,050
and Christopher o'brien is a copyrighted

3599
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:04,040
presentation of making the impossible